Noynoy Aquino supporters get desperate

In a moment of reflection I found myself asking: Am I just jeopardising my reputation and risking the ire of my friends by broadcasting my anti-Noynoy Aquino supporters’ stance in these blogs? After a nanosecond, I shrugged and thought, of course I am, because there is no way in hell pro-Noynoy Aquino supporters will change their minds and see things the way I see it. Fair enough. They are free to throw away their votes. Nevertheless, I’m also free to try and convince them not to.

There are so many Filipinos out there who broadcast their support for Noynoy Aquino everyday. Some even think of themselves as angels or that they will be “blessed” and go to heaven because of this position they take. But why can’t I broadcast my own objections to this position without being labelled “evil” or branded an infidel? I have the right to speak my mind without being stigmatised as such.

Pro-Noynoy Aquino supporters certainly know how to make themselves look virtuous. Sometimes they make me feel like I’m such an awful, awful person. I blame it on my Catholic upbringing. Why do they think that if someone says something that will compromise the good standing of Noynoy in the election, he or she is a bully or a pro-GMA supporter? Why is Noynoy’s camp labelling the whole election thing as a fight between “good and evil” anyway? Why can’t it be simply about which camp is right or wrong or has a superior proposition? Why do they call themselves “good” in the first place? Have they considered the fact that not all voters are Catholic or have a religion? Just because Noynoy’s late mother was often seen praying a lot and just because Noynoy seems like a “good” guy doesn’t mean that anybody else who has a different take on Noynoy is already a bad person. So what if the Aquinos are a “prayerful” lot? There are many who simply don’t buy the whole act.

Everyone is of the opinion that they are right; myself included. However, history will ultimately be the judge of who is right and who is wrong. The problem with Noynoy supporters is that they don’t seem to have learned from history one bit. We already had an Aquino as a president in the past. We already had an Aquino who was deemed as “mabait” (good). We already had an Aquino who did not have the right qualification to lead a nation. We already had an Aquino who was supposedly anti-corruption. We already had an Aquino who was reluctant to run for the presidency and who only ran because a political party with an agenda convinced her to run. Why then do we need to do this all over again? The answer it seems is quite simple: so the same party can win the election again. Noynoy’s party wants us to believe that winning the election has nothing to do with using a name that sticks in the minds of the majority intellectually-catatonic population. They keep pretending that he is ready to lead because he is not ambitious. Put yourself in the shoes of Noynoy’s handlers for a minute and it will start to make sense — they want someone who is not ambitious because it will most likely not be Noynoy who will lead the nation. It will be the people behind him and around him that will.

Ironic, isn’t it? Here is a candidate who attracts a cult-like following during his campaign but who is not likely to be the one on the driver’s seat when he takes office. Noynoy supporters should think twice, and doing so starts with realising that we live in a free world. If they think they are free to support or vote for Noynoy in the coming election, then everyone else is free to support or vote for any other candidate running for the presidency. They are not being good because they are supporting Noynoy. They are just practicing their freedom to vote just like everyone else is. Therefore, those who are not pro-Noynoy are free to say anything they want just like how pro-Noynoy supporters have been saying for the longest time that Noynoy is “the one” despite lacking any good reason to back this assertion.

Over at Filipino Voices, another pro-Noynoy blogger under the name Patricio Mangubat spoke of the sacrifices of Noynoy’s parents. This is what I call scraping the bottom of the barrel because it is evident that, Noynoy is losing his grip on his supporters. Mr Mangubat wrote as if he already acknowledged that Noynoy does not really have any accomplishment of his own. He appealed to the voters to look beyond the latest scandal facing Noynoy’s sister, Kris Aquino and to look back instead to the past sacrifices of both Ninoy and Cory. To quote the blogger:

Fact is, Noynoy Aquino is now in a very solid position of strength based mainly on his family surname. The Aquino brand has an emotive attachment with ours, because of what this family has sacrificed for the sake of the many. If we see Kris right now as a dysfunctional person, blame Marcos. It was Macoy who disrupted the lives of millions, most especially the Aquinos. Was it Kris fault that she did not spend time with Ninoy? It was Macoy who incarcerated Ninoy for many years, especially during those times when Kris was just a toddler

Many people appreciate and feel it as “utang na loob” that this family sacrificed their personal comforts just to serve our Country. And it is pretty darn evil for some people to cast aspersions against the Aquinos for the frailties of Kris.

Again, Mangubat provides lots of talk of good versus evil. It’s like, all we need now is a voodoo expert to drive away the evil spirit. The above is a prime example of someone who is appealing to people’s emotion. People with infantile brains tend to fall for this kind of crap. You simply can’t ask voters to continue looking back; the eyes are designed only to look forward. We must move ahead, not backwards.

What was the result of that sacrifice he is talking about? The brothers John F Kennedy and Robert F Kennedy were also gunned down but they were never made into heroes despite achievements that utterly dwarf Ninoy’s. Everyone’s got an agenda. Even Ninoy had an agenda. It just backfired on him. His death moved the usually flaccid Filipinos into action but it was just one of those consequences that Ninoy did not plan. Ninoy chose the path he took without thinking of the cost of his actions. He did not foresee the damage it was inflicting on his own family. He could have chosen a less dramatic scheme to challenge Marcos. His move was noble but at the same time, not very wise. He had a singular focus but failed to do the math. Even Osama bin Laden wouldn’t strap on a bomb and hop on a flight himself. He would ask his men to do it and that’s a sign of a wise leader (he just happens to be fighting a different cause).

Whatever “sacrifice” the Aquinos made obviously only led to our false sense of democracy. As I mentioned in my blog, Edsa Revolutions, Noynoy Aquino and the Big Conspiracy, the scenario during the Marcos era is similar to what Filipinos now have anyway. There’s not a big difference. Ignorant people are still suffering from mediocre policies. Innocent people still get massacred. Resourceful people still leave the country in droves. That so called “legacy” of the Aquinos is still being used today by the Liberal party to ensure that they win the next election.

The lack of foresight appears to be something that Kris and Noynoy have acquired from their parents. The behaviour of Kris and the lack of substance in Noynoy’s career is one of the real legacies of Ninoy and Cory. The dysfunctional behaviour of the majority of Filipinos is one of the real legacies of Ninoy and Cory. Unfortunately, being a Noynoy supporter, Mr Mangubat excuses Kris’ behavior and blames Marcos too. Again, I quote:

If we see Kris right now as a dysfunctional person, blame Marcos. It was Macoy who disrupted the lives of millions, most especially the Aquinos. Was it Kris fault that she did not spend time with Ninoy? It was Macoy who incarcerated Ninoy for many years, especially during those times when Kris was just a toddler.

How pathetic is the above statement? As far as I’m concerned, he’s just talking out of his ass. Kris is an adult. How can someone use the very dead Marcos to explain her behavior? Talaga naman, oo. Obviously, when you are an Aquino supporter, any excuse will do. Mr Noynoy supporter, no matter how well you spin it, rational people will see Kris’s behavior for what it is, behavior that is characteristic of a person with very low self-esteem and someone who doesn’t learn from her mistakes.

The sort of thinking such as what Mangubat exhibits above to which hundreds of thousands of Filipinos are subjected to is precisely the reason why I will continue to do what I do, and I will try to dedicate most of my blogging hours to write rebuttals to the ridiculous and bordering-on-the-crazy articles that come out until the election is over.

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61 Responses to Noynoy Aquino supporters get desperate

  1. Quezon City Chorva says:

    Want to know more about Ricky Rivera?

    See http://www.quezoncitychorva.wordpress.com

    • ilda says:

      Interesting. I had no idea who he was. I was just more interested in his mental faculties as a Noynoy supporter.

      • Quezon City Chorva says:

        He claims to be the supporter of many politicians… He was a supporter of Mar, Villar, Erap, etcetera…
        He claims to be a leftist ideologue, an islamic convert, and now he is running as a rep of the YOU party list…

        Of course, you can look at his written work, by itself. Nothing wrong about that.

      • ilda says:

        In other words, he has an identity crisis🙂 His article sounded like he is an avid Aquino fan. The usual type who keep making excuses on behalf of the clan for their behavior.

  2. Dilaw na Mantsa says:

    “If we see Kris right now as a dysfunctional person, blame Marcos.”

    Wow, just wow. How about blaming Kris’ mother for not raising her right?

  3. jethernandez says:

    Hi Ilda…

    Let us operationally define Ignoy “handlers and spin doctors” as a-1’s (a-holes 1) and supporters as a-2’s (a-holes 2). Let’s take off from the theoretical framework of Wilfredo Pareto’s 80/20 rule… A-1’s are those who have the greedy perception of benefiting from the loot of the Presidency once Ignoy wins the seat (the 20%). the A-2’s are those who are either intellectually ignorant or emotionally stupid… or both.

    The A-1’s are the members of the Liberal Party and other turncoat politicians; Cory’s cronies (now Ignoy’s) that include the Lopezes, the Cojuangcos, the Ayalas and the majority members of the MBCs; the media pundits, hackers and spin doctors includes the likes of de Quiros, jologera Tordecillas and MLQ(gay) or MLQG.

    The 20 percent of the A-2’s comprises all the wannabe intellectuals or intellectual wannabes (INTELLECTUAL IGNORAMUSES) of pro-noynoy’s forums such as filipinovoices and barrio shite (sorry waray ang tatay ko that is the way they pronounce syete). The rest or 80 percent of the A-2s are those who’ve been initially moved by the coffin of Cory, who likes the ursh ursh pag iinarte ni Kris Aquino and the kabadingan of Boy Abunda. The 20 percent of the A-2s are a bunch HOPELESS CASE pricks who are full of themselves because of the books they’ve published, the articles they’ve posted on their blogs. They have twisted logic… since they own the blogs they just delete anything that opposes their fallacious hypotheses…

    Please Ilda… tell me I’m wrong… hehehehe…

    Tsers (in the words of my waray auntie living in the UK… for CHEERS)

    Jet

    PS
    Just recently NICK PR#CK of filipino voices posted that his forum site is NON-PARTISAN… NON-PARTISAN my a.s.s. He has used the picture of Ninoy for his admin icon. He’s deleted my posts saying it’s a personal attack.

    • jethernandez says:

      *barrio s.h.i.t.e…

      geeez bong… what site is this? boooo… moderation!!! censorship!!!! hehehehe…

    • ilda says:

      Hello Jet

      As usual you are at your most eloquent form when Noynoy is the topic, hehe.

      You are lucky no one gets moderated or banned from this site for you use very colorful words. Even Barrio Siete folks are most welcome. I’d like to see more people from different walks of life (even with different sexual orientation) join the conversation. I’m not really into the identity of the person behind the ideas like the others. I’m more interested in what people have to say no matter how senseless.

      I wish Noynoy supporters will find a way to express their support with something new other than, “He is the son of Cory and Ninoy”.

      • GabbyD says:

        ” I’d like to see more people from different walks of life (even with different sexual orientation) join the conversation. I’m not really into the identity of the person behind the ideas like the others. I’m more interested in what people have to say no matter how senseless.”

        very funny🙂

    • Joe America says:

      Jet,

      I suppose a person’s view on blog sites can take one of two approaches: (1) One that says all comments are constructive; even nonsense, personal slurs, obscenities, off-topic diatribes, or filibustering blather are fair game, as all thought is constructive to someone, and (2) Nick’s, that says some comments do not contribute to the tone he (as editor) would like to set, and which, presumably, recognizes mankind is occasionally not very nice or is wayward of mind or lip.

      You, with your obscenity laden personal attack on Nick, endorse the former.

      If I may be allowed a personal perspective, I detect that you, on occasion, believe you are God and can tell Nick what to publish. If he fails to conform, you condemn him to your wrath of obscenity. He is not free to function as editor or apply his personal standards to writings. He is not free to think for himself. Rather, he is obligated to line up as your intellectual lackey or be verbally shot. So Filipino, eh? Anyone dares to flick your overblown ego, he gets the unkind end of the verbal gun.

      Sorry, I line up with Nick. The editor has a right to edit, and you have a right to take your trash to sites that welcome trash.

      I have a right to read either, neither, or both.

      It really depends on who you, the writer want, as your audience. If you seek to influence FV’s larger, more diverse audience, you follow the editorial guidelines to the best of your ability. And within those guidelines, try to move or expand the thinking of others. If not, you go off to some blogging closet and masturbate to the rhythm of your own thinking.

      Joe

      • ilda says:

        @Joe

        As far as I know, everyone is welcome here unlike in FV. FV is becoming more and more like a Noynoy website. I have seen comments from regular commentators there who have similar views.

        And unlike Jet H, in the short time that I participated in FV, I have never used profanity or bad language there. I may have taken a gibe at the inanity of a particular article at some point but it should have been taken with a grain of salt, an exercise that most Filipinos are hardly familiar with.

        In a way, I can relate with Jet’s frustration for being banned because a lot of people have been known to get kicked out no matter how harmless the queries. It was so obvious that any comment deemed to have a negative undertone with reference to Noynoy were not allowed. Not fair at all.

      • benign0 says:

        Mr Joe America,

        Here is an example of the sort of comments that get banned (or get moderated and then never see the light of day) at Filipinovoices.com. Think of the wealth of wisdom and perspective that is censored over there, sir.

        And, yes, be careful with mistaking popularity with quality. As my favourite analogy goes, the size of the audience of Wowowee utterly and consistently dwarfs that of The Discovery Channel. Go figure.😉

      • Karl Garcia says:

        The reply of Abe when I copied benign0’s comment :

        Abe N. Margallo
        December 31, 2009 at 2:08 am

        Karl (and benigs),

        I have pointed out here in FV that the LP platform (and Noynoy legislative initiatives) “have dared to take a very strong and conspicuous stand on some highly sensitive socio-economic issues such as the promotion of ‘industrial democracy’ (or the idea that postulates for example that workers may co-own the enterprise, elect the management via a democracy in the workplace and have a say not just in matters of wages and benefits, but also as far as maybe in deciding product pricing and organizational design) which not even the Democratic Party under Obama would touch with a ten foot pole without being called un-American.”

        Outside of pure political theorizing, the piece above stresses the realpolitik about public policymaking where in a Noynoy presidency, for instance, one could simply take for granted legislative cooperation to rubber stamp Noynoy’ election promises. On the contrary, legislative deference to the president’s policy preferences is far from automatic.

        Public policy system, any student of politics should know, is subject to conflicting interests, internal or external (e.g., the infamous Washington consensus as J_AG points out above), sectional or regional, ideological or factional, some even purely selfish or personal. The land reform law under Cory and the healthcare reform initiative by Obama are good examples both in the Philippines and US. The final products have come out far from what’s promised or intended.

        In a parliamentary system (at least of the Western European model), in which the chief executive or administrator is also the head of the legislative body (hence, he is both chief executive and chief legislator), legislative members of the same party (or a coalition of parties) vote together on major issues such as a paradigm-changing program for industrial democracy as spelled out in the LP platform or as one of President Noynoy’s public policy priorities. One salient feature of this parliamentary model is that election can happen any time where there is perceived betrayal of electoral promises for example or power can change without election (the prime minister is forced to resign by a vote of no confidence.)

        In a multi-term presidential system as in the US or in pre-martial law Philippines, there is at least an opportunity for the electorate to hold the president accountable for breach of electoral promises when or if he seeks re-election.

        The opportunity for “inter-election” reckoning in a parliamentary system or a denial of fresh mandate in a re-election under a multi-term presidential system is absent in a single-term presidential system that’s obtaining in our system of government today . . . except through the impeachment process, “street” democracy, or on rare occasions via “constructive” judicial election.

        benignO, so enamored by (and therefore “cannot see beyond”) his supposedly business-modeled platform plez baby is blindsided again both by his vacuity and his now nearly-undisguised condescending (he prefers to call it anti-Pinoy) attitude towards his jeepney-riding and below-average compatriots and has decided to see and read something in my piece that’s not there to entertain himself and regrettably a few above-average souls. (Very unfortunately, they also pretend to see nothing in the LP and Noynoy’s platforms because the platforms do not conform to the self-vaunted benignO model.)

      • BongV says:

        I have pointed out here in FV that the LP platform (and Noynoy legislative initiatives) “have dared to take a very strong and conspicuous stand on some highly sensitive socio-economic issues such as the promotion of ‘industrial democracy’ (or the idea that postulates for example that workers may co-own the enterprise, elect the management via a democracy in the workplace and have a say not just in matters of wages and benefits, but also as far as maybe in deciding product pricing and organizational design) which not even the Democratic Party under Obama would touch with a ten foot pole without being called un-American.”

        The free market already allows one to have as many organizational model one wants, including “workers may co-own the enterprise, elect the management via a democracy in the workplace and have a say not just in matters of wages and benefits, but also as far as maybe in deciding product pricing and organizational design)”. The question is whether such an organizational design will have the operational efficiency to survive in the 21st century market. There’s a reason why the dinosaurs became extinct you know.

        Of course, Obama, or the US congress will not work to legislate that all business entities conform to only one model – it’s a free market, you can have any model you want! DUH!

        Outside of pure political theorizing, the piece above stresses the realpolitik about public policymaking where in a Noynoy presidency, for instance, one could simply take for granted legislative cooperation to rubber stamp Noynoy’ election promises. On the contrary, legislative deference to the president’s policy preferences is far from automatic.

        For short, the Noynoy’s talk of change and hope given the realpolitik is pure crap. Operational efficiency within a flawed policy environment is not change – that’s a one way ticket to a cliff.

        Public policy system, any student of politics should know, is subject to conflicting interests, internal or external (e.g., the infamous Washington consensus as J_AG points out above), sectional or regional, ideological or factional, some even purely selfish or personal. The land reform law under Cory and the healthcare reform initiative by Obama are good examples both in the Philippines and US. The final products have come out far from what’s promised or intended.

         Exactly, Cory.. as Noynoy right now is… a stooge of the oligarchs!

        In a parliamentary system (at least of the Western European model), in which the chief executive or administrator is also the head of the legislative body (hence, he is both chief executive and chief legislator), legislative members of the same party (or a coalition of parties) vote together on major issues such as a paradigm-changing program for industrial democracy as spelled out in the LP platform or as one of President Noynoy’s public policy priorities. One salient feature of this parliamentary model is that election can happen any time where there is perceived betrayal of electoral promises for example or power can change without election (the prime minister is forced to resign by a vote of no confidence.)

        However, given the LP’s resistance to charter change and its minions and with it’s oligarchic elements hijacking of the Philippine constitution, the LP is a stooge of the oligarchs. Before the LP starts talking paradigms, let it straighten out land reform first and provide the necessary post-distribution marketing, credit, business development, and R&D support services to create a rural entrepreneurial base that profitably meets the needs of the urban centers.

        In a multi-term presidential system as in the US or in pre-martial law Philippines, there is at least an opportunity for the electorate to hold the president accountable for breach of electoral promises when or if he seeks re-election.

        It’s not enough to hold the president accountable during elections. Incompetence should be stopped dead in its tracks and replaced with efficiency. That’s the beauty of the parliamentary system.

        The opportunity for “inter-election” reckoning in a parliamentary system or a denial of fresh mandate in a re-election under a multi-term presidential system is absent in a single-term presidential system that’s obtaining in our system of government today . . . except through the impeachment process, “street” democracy, or on rare occasions via “constructive” judicial election.

        Yup. Absolutely and totally idiotic.

         benignO, so enamored by (and therefore “cannot see beyond”) his supposedly business-modeled platform plez baby is blindsided again both by his vacuity and his now nearly-undisguised condescending (he prefers to call it anti-Pinoy) attitude towards his jeepney-riding and below-average compatriots and has decided to see and read something in my piece that’s not there to entertain himself and regrettably a few above-average souls. (Very unfortunately, they also pretend to see nothing in the LP and Noynoy’s platforms because the platforms do not conform to the self-vaunted benignO model.)

        Margallo’s got it all wrong. Actually he is the vacuous anti-pinoy who promotes jeepney-riding in a century where nations have moved forward to SUVs and high speed green mass-transit. The “self-vaunted b0 model” is a false proposition because no such model exists, margallo is raising a strawman.🙂

      • UP n grad says:

        one of those bad hair days for a very testy JoeAm.

        My take about Nick running his censorship rules over FilnoVoices-dot is basically that Nick just follows the golden rule. For that particular blogsite, Nick who owns the gold, rules.

      • You and your twisted logic Joe. I’ve never personally attacked anyone at filipino voices when I have been actively participating at that FORUM… In fact even if I very well know the professional and personal background of most of them, I separate forum issues from personalities. (Margallo used to study at Adamson sporting a long hair and a friend of Joker and Binay). There was a time when I’ve reprimanded Benigno for doing an almost personal attack on Buencamino even if Buencamino called me a paid hack. I’m calling NICK a PRICK because he’s acted like a DICKHEAD by allowing profanities hurled against anti-nonoy posters while deleting their posts in the guise of moderation. He has the right to edit or delete what he wants… I also have my own blog… I don’t even care if it’s being read or not… i’ve created it not for the blog awards… There are posts and comments that opposes my view but I’ve never DELETED them. Now NICK THE PRICK is saying it is a non-partisan forum? Yeah right.

      • jethernandez says:

        And you call my posts pieces of trash Joe… THE FEELING IS MUTUAL!!! ERMITA IS NOT THE PHILIPPINES… PHILIPPINES IS NOT ERMITA!!!!

      • GabbyD says:

        and you wonder why people moderate?

      • jethernandez says:

        i don’t wonder why admins moderate. or even question why admins moderate… it’s their CYBER-GOD given right… OTOH… i don’t even have the penchant to ask silly and stupid questions… had i known NICK PRICK is a pro-noynoy a-hole, i shouldn’t have posted at that site…

        i wonder why, GabbyD… why is it that you’ve kept on asking those silly questions?

  4. Iya Justimbaste says:

    You know Ilda, I agree that they are getting desperate. I’ve been active in criticizing Noynoy in FB and some of my not-so-good friends have resorted to desperate measures in trying to shut me up. An acquaintance even did a background check on me and tried to blackmail me when I posted our debate in fb photos.

    • ilda says:

      Most of them easily get personal. Just imagine if Noynoy is already the President. The more these people will feel like they are untouchable.

  5. Joe America says:

    Ilda, Jet, BenignO, UP n,,

    I’ve criticized Nonoy on FV in no uncertain terms, calling him smarmy and ridiculing his commercials. I’ve ripped the Catholic Church and been my normal irreverent self. I’ve been moderated for language, but always, always been posted. It could be the site is seen as pro-Noynoy because the contributors are intelligent enough to see the flaws in Villar, Teodoro, and Erap. Perlas is constantly promoted by contributors. Gordon gets odds and ends comments, with no strong backing or criticism. Seems kind of representative of an intelligent set of Filipinos to me, not some political agenda.

    I think the FV web site gives Filipinos the opportunity to comment on a diverse range of issues expressed by different authors. I have never spoken to Nick, but I understand his position on wanting the site to rise to a higher level of dialogue, one that examines issues, not one that descends to personal, chat-room one-upsmanship.

    The site represents the diverse Philippine community, and it does it well. Conservatives and liberals are there; atheists, professors, journalists, lawyers, OFW’s, an American or two, men, women, students, working people, retired people; they take their shots and absorb them; they provide facts and links and opinions. There is little irrelevant and childish name-calling. The subject matter is current and vibrant. It astounds me that any Filipinos would attack this model rather than seek to nurture with pride a high-class Filipino discussion forum.

    It is so easy to call names, and hard to counter a slander. What does it contribute for Jet to air his personal hostility in an offensive way (or at least in a way offensive to me).

    The Anti-Pinoy blog forum comes at issues from a different perspective than FV, from the outside looking in, and accordingly has a different and highly valuable point of view. It is rather the difference between looking at Filipino issues through the window of western cultural influences and looking at them through a mirror of Filipino traditions. Both perspectives are enriching and deserving of respect.

    Odd, isn’t it, that an American can grant this respect, but some Filipinos can not?

    Instead, they have to divide into clans . . . to generate a kind of mob-camaraderie that encourages attack on those who think differently.

    Joe

    • ilda says:

      I’ve criticized Nonoy on FV in no uncertain terms, calling him smarmy and ridiculing his commercials. I’ve ripped the Catholic Church and been my normal irreverent self. I’ve been moderated for language, but always, always been posted

      I can tell you why it’s so easy for you to defend FV. It’s because your comments have never been banned. I can also tell you why. It’s because you are an American. C’mon Joe. No offence to you, but you should know how suckers most Filipinos are for people with Caucasian features.

      Instead, they have to divide into clans . . . to generate a kind of mob-camaraderie that encourages attack on those who think differently.

      Antipinoy was created because most of the comments from the writers here have been completely censored. You should remember how harmless my comments were when I used to participate there.

      I guess you don’t know how it feels like to be banned. I know it’s unbelievable to you but I felt so snubbed, mistreated, second-rated and most definitely discriminated against. Now I know what it feels like to be impotent. It is not a very good feeling. It’s like my brain wants to do something but my body won’t cooperate. It’s similar to being in a coma, unable to speak while still hearing people talking about me and plotting my demise. I felt like Ariel in the Little Mermaid when she couldn’t speak after Ursula took her voice away (ok, ok, so I’m exaggerating a little bit here but that’s not the point :)).

      What is wrong with this picture? It is so obvious to me that whoever owns Filipino Voices wants to project an image of exclusivity. But for me what shines through is mere self-importance; a sort of inflated feeling of pride in the perceived superiority of theirs to others’ views has infected the community there. It is a microcosm of Philippine society. Not a surprising product coming from a nation of braggarts and show-offs. In a land where padrino and pakikisama (the negative kind) rules, Filipino Voices administrators are just playing the game. It must be such an alien concept for people like them to live in a world where you don’t have to please, kiss anyone’s ass, or not owe anyone any favours. Most bloggers there can’t even write something that would defy conventional wisdom and make people think outside of the square. They’d rather silence their challengers and purge their immediate surroundings of any signs of their presence. I’ve got two words to describe this phenomenon: proud and insecure.

      • Joe America says:

        Ilda,

        Multiple thoughts. One, I cannot imagine you getting banned from any site that appreciates intelligent commentary. Two, you are right, I have never been banned from a web site, but I have been lied to, cheated, given the runaround, and in other ways humiliated. Three, proud and insecure; seems to be lots of that going around.

        Thank you for giving me a better perspective on things. I appreciate it.

        Joe

      • ilda says:

        I cannot imagine you getting banned from any site that appreciates intelligent commentary.

        That’s the thing; they don’t seem to appreciate intelligent commentary🙂 I was surprised myself. You can ask them yourself why. Is it because I am not a Noynoy Aquino supporter? Is it because my views seem to ruffle a few feathers, notably Abe Margallo? Is it because they just don’t understand anything written using metaphors? I will never know the answer to these questions because I have been told that the administrators simply do not communicate with anyone who is not important enough to them. I hadn’t participated in the blog for the longest time and then I come back and find that I’ve been marked a public menace for my association with Antipinoy.com. By the looks of it, you have to have a position in Philippine society before your voice can be heard in Filipino Voices. Either that or you simply have to agree or give a sort of fence sitter remark all the time on any of the articles especially the ones about Noynoy Aquino. They might as well just call their blog “Some Filipino Voices”!

        This is a very, very sad indication that Philippine society has a long way to go when it comes to practicing the sort of democracy that the administrators of Filipino Voices originally envisioned to uphold and impart on everyone.

        They recently came out with an article disputing the fact that they do ban comments from anyone and being pro-Noynoy. And I tried to make a comment yesterday and it did go through. Maybe word has finally reached them that their reputation is not going well.

      • BongV says:

        Joe:

        I am under permanent moderation in FV that I might as well be banned.

        How can one participate when it takes at least an hour or two for my comment to appear? What the fuck?

        Filipino voices? I agree with Ilda it should be “Some Filipino Voices”…🙂

      • Joe America says:

        BongV,

        Yes, I understand your point, and I think Nick misses an opportunity to have better dialogue when he chases clear voices such as you and BenignO off.

        Joe

    • Chino says:

      I agree that Nick can do whatever he wants with his site. However, that does not change the accurate observation that he is biased, and that he is incongruent with his own declaration that his site is unbiased.

      • Joe America says:

        Chino,

        Who is not biased? If he is biased toward a higher-minded dialogue, is that not good bias? He is only non-biased if he thinks exactly like you do..

        Joe

      • ilda says:

        Joe, I can still remember you and Bencard having a go at each other and it was becoming personal. It wasn’t banned for the same reason I mentioned above. I wonder whatever happened to Bencard though. Blackshama is another example of someone who kept on attacking Benign0 on a personal basis. Every comment he made on Benign0’s articles always referred to him being overseas and how he has no right to make a critique about the Philippines anymore. How dumb was that? He made no attempts to have an intellectual discussion at all about Benign0’s articles. And yet, Blackshama has never been banned from doing it. Goes to show what type of people and their garbage are allowed there. Very immature indeed.

      • Homer says:

        Ilda,

        Don’t forget Bert, who always gets away with his comments that reflect his obssessive hatred for anyone and everyone at AP…..and FV is the “Marlene Aguilar” of a**holes like Bert.

        Non-partisan? Ha!

      • ilda says:

        Ahhhh Bert….. I tried reasoning with that dude and at the end of it, I just realised that talking to him is like talking to a brick wall. It doesn’t matter how you present things to him, all he’ll hear is “blah,blah,blah”. It’s like when Lisa Simpson talks to her dad and his thoughts switches to donuts and beer, hehe. Nothing gets through to Bert. He just thinks we’re all traitors.

      • Homer says:

        Only the stupidest Pinoy (here or abroad) would take the AP articles so personally while missing the point. He often uses the term “my people” as if he has a monopoly on Pinoys. Watta f**kin’ idiot…..really!!! Brick walls have more substance.

        (Now where’s my Duff Beer?…hehe)

      • ilda says:

        Well, his people are the ones wreaking havoc in the country. I’m sure people like Bert misses the type of discussions back when everyone was still active on FV. Nowadays it’s just plain old vanilla comments with only a few exceptions. Boringggg🙂

  6. Joe America says:

    Ilda,

    I’m glad you were let back in, and I would hope the temporary block was systematic (I’ve been locked out a couple of times by their computer, and merely told Nick, who unlocked the block). As you note from my “clan” reference above, I think it would be wrong for FV to get into some kind of “them vs us” dispute with Anti-Pinoy, as it is so childish. I’ll continue to grant FV and Nick my respect for trying to build a quality site, even if the technique seems exclusionary. I’m sure he is going through a learning curve, too, and maybe will eventually settle on a more open model. Still, I like that he has cleaned up the personal attacks that once dominated blog threads.

    Joe

    • UP n grad says:

      JoeAm: “Evenhanded” will be when a blogsite allows a blogpost to be incendiary by broadbrushing as stupid and lacking moral fiber those who like George W Bush or Manny Villar or NoyNoy, that commentaries that are incendiary against the blogpost author should be allowed. Either that, or the incendiary insults of the original post should be sanitized by the moderator.

  7. Phil Manila says:

    Dude, either the Filipino Voices’ auto response handler hates your new Avatar (the commando/special forces look is kinda intimidating) or you lack Frequent Vlogging Miles.🙂

  8. anton says:

    let me get this straight. following their formulation, then Satur Ocampo, Liza Maza, and the rest of the MAKABAYAN political bloc are pro-GMA? so why were their members being killed left and right? for fun? crap, even George Bush had better spin-doctoring.

    • ilda says:

      Good observation Anton.

      Unforuntaly, people fall under either of two categories when they’re not a Noynoy supporter:

      1. You’re pro-GMA.
      2. You’re a paid hack/journalist by Villar or Gibo.

      Insane isn’t it? I just fall under those who are pro-truth. No one has paid me yet🙂

  9. BongV says:

    Hey Phil,

    Good to see you drop by amigo.. he he he he.

    ala e, inasmuch as I’d like to chill with you at FV – nanny/pinoy tontowness muttawa Nick does not approve.

  10. Chino says:

    One thing I find with many Noynoy supporters is that they are like George Bush. “Either you are for us, or against us.” Like if you don’t go for Noynoy, but don’t go for Gibo either, you are still going to be accused of being anti-change or pro-administration. Or as long as you don’t go for Noynoy, you’re evil. Like George Bush, they claim the monopoly on the right solution. Like George Bush, they are egocentric. And like George Bush, they just do more harm than good.

    I see it this way. Dumb people know only hot or cold. More intelligent people know that there is lukewarm. Recognition of middle ground and avoidance of polarization reflects a better use of the mind.

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  12. jethernandez says:

    Ey Joe American

    FV=Quality site? BWAHAHAHAHA

    You go on posting what you want to believe… even God allows morons to co-exist with the normal ones. If you want mess to mess up this site with that crap of garbage, be our guest…. But puleez don’t whine each time your illogical fallacies (or moronic fantasies) are reacted upon on a form that doesn’t match in your false prudence format of posting profanities. You’ve indirectly called me a racist once… and you trashed talked me just recently… Yet you’ve kept on whining like an autistic child demanding for RESPECT?

    If you’d notice… at FV I haven’t threaded on you because you’ve kept on WHINING for respect each time your stupid premises are being bombarded by logic… if there is a greek god of wine named bacchus… you are a god of whiners. Your claim of being an American Caucasian doesn’t have to do anything with the reaction your getting here… but at FV… OMG… that counts a LOT… You fit into their paradigm of WHERE I’M COMING FROM… A BEEN HERE DONE THAT premises… Besides…. You’re a kiss-ass… that fits well with nick the pr#ck.

    PS…

    Go on whining… go on kiss-assing… you have a space here… but puleez… stop demanding for respect!!!! You don’t deserve one…

    • ilda says:

      Easy on the caffeine Jet. At the end of the day, the rest of the masa will just watch their favourite telenovelas whoever wins the election🙂

  13. benign0 says:

    Go on whining… go on kiss-assing… you have a space here… but puleez… stop demanding for respect!!!! You don’t deserve one…

    @ jet hernandez, respect is earned ideally based on consistency and quality of one’s actions and the outcomes of said actions. That said, nobody is in any real position to demand respect. But at the same time nobody is in any position to determine who deserves it or not either.

    That’s the beauty of blogging and most of Web 2.0. It is a free market of ideas. The market has an emergent property of propagating good ideas and extinguishing bad ones. It raises the profile of entities that consistently publish good ideas and buries those that publish crap. Whether those entities be individual people or entire blogs, that principle of Web 2.0 holds.

    The market for these ideas corrects itself in the same way the market in the more conventional sense of it in economics does.

    So I see no point around any discussion that is focused on asserting who has or who doesn’t hold a store of “respect” around here (if that is even possible). It’s best that we focus on evaluating (criticising or applauding) the nature of the idea rather than speculate on the messenger’s intentions or state of mind surrounding his posting it here.

  14. jethernandez says:

    Benigno…

    I should have rephrased … “you don’t deserve one…. ” to “YOU DON’T DESERVE MINE”… or probably scrapped it. that can probably change your line of argument… OTOH, i have to agree with the morals that you’ve preached. that said, i still separate one’s real life’s story from the ideas he rants and raves at any of the forums, newsgroups, mailing lists and list servers… besides, in this place of wrath and tears… most of us are in a shade of anonymities…

    Ilda…

    I’m still trying to analyze the composition of the Aquino fanatics club using the operational framework of Wilfredo Pareto… the 80/20 rule that I’ve posted a while ago that Joe defined as trash…

    80/20 rule means that for every group of ten individuals there are 2 leaders and 8 followers… The following is based on my first comment here but i’ll go on without any of the borloloys that the FV posters would hate… can we say that the 20 percent of these leaders are the ABS-CBN and other hacks (media), the the ayalas, lopezes (market)… and lastly the Liberal Party and turncoat politicians (government)? The rest of the 80 percent are those who have been spoonfed by the 20 percent… these are the ones who have been blinded by the survey results, the holier than thou type of rhetorics and motherhood statements and their emotional attachment to the coffins of Cory and Ninoy…

    … it’s not the caffeine… it’s the coffin… hehehehe…

    • ilda says:

      Easy on the coffin then. At the end of the day, your 20% will continue making telenovelas for their pockets and the rest of your 80% will keep eating it whoever wins the election on May 10. Tsers🙂

    • Joe America says:

      Jet,

      First of all, I must acknowledge that my “trash” remark was not needed, for by doing the name calling, I become what I condemn. It is also not accurate, for your writings generally are thought-provoking, I usually agree with your observations, and they are usually delivered in a “style” that I, in fact, enjoy. The “trash” descriptor should be attached solely to the unkind reference to Nick. I don’t like name calling because it is so easy to do yet so difficult to unravel if it is not correct. Indeed, Nick’s editorial policies may be “prick like” to you and others, but he, as a person, may be earnest and honest to most. His editorial technique just offends you. That’s fine; editorial standards are an issue that can be debated.

      I would also observe that one man’s bias is another man’s principle, so a bias is not necessarily bad. And, again, one can always argue the issue rather than slander the issuer. Arguing and finding agreement is sometimes difficult; calling names is always easy.

      Yours for a higher plane of debate . . .

      Joe

      • jethernandez says:

        Joe…

        I seldom use the first person I mode… but with you I’ll do an exception…

        I don’t know you from Adam… I don’t need even need to know who the f.u.c.k. is Adam whether he’s a gaddamn myth or not… I don’t even care whether you’re a real american or just a brit pretending to be one. I don’t solicit praises for any of my postings at any forum, listservers or newsgroups. I don’t create blogs for blog awards… Nick the P.R.I.C.K. doesn’t do editorials or edits… HE DELETES… he censors. He is a hypocrite by stating that FV is a non-bias forum site.

        You’ve said your s.h.i.t. as I have shouted mine. My offer of two bottles of beer still stands.. anytime joe… anytime…

    • ilda says:

      Ohhh, it’s getting all mushy here…it’s time to kiss and make-up guys. No need to take things personally you two. We’re just exchanging ideas. It shouldn’t matter what the color of our skin is. What’s important is we’re all passionate about the Philippines and all of us obviously want to see the country rise up or prevent it from sinking any lower. If people are misguided to think that Noynoy is the best out there, we just need to be more creative in convincing them to change their point of view. But it will be impossible for all of us to agree on everything, ya know. We just need to take a deep breath, count to ten before we type on the keyboard.

      Filipinos deserve who they vote for. This is a hard lesson they will learn in a few years time. But since they haven’t learned from the past elections, I doubt if they will ever learn in the future.

      Who knows though, Noynoy’s handlers might even do a good job with running the country. They just need to be more creative in convincing us how they’ll do it.

      ta-ta

  15. benign0 says:

    I should have rephrased … “you don’t deserve one…. ” to “YOU DON’T DESERVE MINE”… or probably scrapped it. that can probably change your line of argument… OTOH, i have to agree with the morals that you’ve preached. that said, i still separate one’s real life’s story from the ideas he rants and raves at any of the forums, newsgroups, mailing lists and list servers… besides, in this place of wrath and tears… most of us are in a shade of anonymities…

    @ jethernandez, that’s right. In online forums like these, your ideas should take a life of their own. We always criticise Pinoy society for being personality- and credentials-focused. So what sets apart the men from the boys here is the quality of their ideas and their ability to articulate them well.

    Those who can’t do the latter well resort to bringing their offline life to bear — often with laughable results.

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  19. anonymous person-guy says:

    ms. pat evangilista just made a note on facebook depicting noynoy as “jesus in yellow”. . . I wanted to throw up.

    before deciding to enforce one’s ideologies upon the vast majority of the filipino people, she should’ve stopped and think. How about reading on the Hacienda Luisita? Jesus my ass.

    • Aegis-Judex says:

      It’s blasphemy! It’s madness! And don’t get me started on their Senatorial slate! SLAMATLORRD?! Mater Dei, Noynoy IS NOT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST! Cory may be “The Saint of democracy,” but we need LEADERS, NOT SAINTS! The saints can wait, of course… *smirks*

  20. guilbautedsookie says:

    I really cannot tolerate the illogicality of Noynoy supporters.

  21. Sisa says:

    Malaki ang problema sa ideolohiya ng mga Pilipino. Mahilig umasa. Wala namang siguradong mapapala. Hanggang ngayon, hindi ko lubos maisip na magiging ganito kalala ang sistema.

    Oo. Si Cory ay naging simbolo ng ating paglaya sa mga pangil ng diktadurya ni Marcos. Ngunit… May nagawa ba siya? Ang pangako niyang pababain ang presyo ng galunggong ay NEVER natupad. Dahil din sa kanya (or sa mga nagbubulong sa kanya), ang utang nating panlabas ay lumobo ng todo kahit na na-save tayo ng panandalian sa pagbabayad. Hindi ba’t nagka-kudeta sa administrasyon niya? Malinaw lamang na hindi naging matagumpay ang kanyang pamumuno.

    Gugustuhin ba nating maulit ito? Oo, walang kurakot (daw). Pero may nangyari ba? Umunlad ba tayo?

    CARP ba kamo? Oo. Sa administrasyon ni Cory nagawa ang CARP. Ngunit… marahil ayaw niyang biyakin ang mga lupain ng Cojuangco kaya hindi rin naging epektibo ang programa. Ipinakita niyang namimili lamang ang batas kaya wala pa ring nangyaring katinuan sa gobyerno.

    Hindi santo si Noynoy. Hindi rin siya bayani. Tinulak lamang siya sa pagkandidato dahil sa namatay si Cory. Kung buhay pa si Cory ngayon, sa palagay n’yo ba tatakbo siya?

    Nirerespeto ko ang palagay ng bawat Pilipino. Inilalahad ko lang dito ang kabuktutan sa ilalim ng nagpapanggap na kabayanihan ng mga Aquino.

    Tandaan. Hindi si Cory ang kumakandidato. Si Noynoy.

    Tingnan natin siya bilang siya, hindi bilang anak ni Cory at Ninoy.

  22. Lucrecia says:

    LOLOLOL
    Blame Macoy my butt, Patricio Mangubat.
    Kung hindi naman isang malaking epal at ambisyoso yang si Ninoy eh di sana walang problema.
    Blame Macoy ka diyan.

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