Noynoy Aquino supporters are getting fed up

I thought I’d give Noynoy Aquino a break because people are starting to think that I am a paid hack. I keep checking my account for any unusual transactions specifically on the credit side coming from someone named Villar but unfortunately, my account has remained unchanged apart from the fortnightly pay I get from my favourite job. It’s too bad all my articles with reference to Noynoy did not earn me a single centavo and it’s still hard to tell if I am going to get any credit for converting any pro-Noynoy supporter to switch to another candidate. Man, blogging sucks sometimes. There is hardly any visible return on investment for the time spent typing away on the keyboard and then I still get accused of being a paid hack. There is no gratification when one is dealing with Filipinos, really. There’s just a tiny fraction of the population who appreciates real honesty and truth in the get real sense of the words. It’s a good thing I am really passionate about what I’m doing and don’t rely on praises for motivation.

Over at Filipino Voices, I had the pleasure of debating with a new blogger there named Lila Shahani about — ahem — no other than Noynoy Aquino on one of Abe Margallo’s articles. Ms Shahani strikes me as a sensible, straightforward lady, and quite articulate too. You can tell, though, that she has lived a bit of a sheltered existence. I came to this conclusion when our discussion almost turned sour when she accused me of being hostile at some point and assumed I was grumpy as well, an observation of hers that had very little basis considering that I was just being my usual self the whole time. She obviously still has to learn to take things with a grain of salt lest she encounter another “getrealist” in the future.

We haven’t really had a chance to give her a warm welcome to Filipino Voices. FV had only recently lifted their ban on us commenting on their blog articles. In fact, some of the comments by some “getrealists” on that particular article by Abe Margallo have been deleted to silence any further dissent. FV is not the only site that does this though. Most of the websites created for Noynoy moderate or block any Noynoy criticism. I guess they just want to read their side all the time. Being told what you want to hear all the time has the effect of making us soft. So perhaps we too can blame Filipino Voices administrators’ being so overly protective of their bloggers for Lila’s quickness to find hostility in my/our comments.

It was a good thing both Ms Shahani and I quickly removed our fingers from the triggers and managed to come to amiable terms with our point of views. She has earned my respect because she is not one of those pro-Noynoy supporters who dismiss any questions regarding Noynoy as just being, well, anti-Noynoy and she said in the end that her options are still open. She just has to be careful not to allow the elders over at FV to unfairly taint her impression of Antipinoy.com. Regrettably, she is already of the impression that the rest of our colleagues here at Antipinoy.com are receiving money from Noynoy’s opponents. According to her, it’s because for one, a lot of our current articles are about Noynoy and second, she insists that those who are not supporting Noynoy should divulge who they are voting for. For Ms Shahani, doing otherwise makes us “paid hacks”. I did say to her I was leaning towards Gordon partly because I feared she would insist I was a “hack” and partly because it is the truth. I’ll discuss this phenomenon further shortly. First, here’s an excerpt of what she said:

The following comment of hers was what got me going. It came across to me like she was just compromising on Noynoy, which to me was unacceptable:

Mariano, Mike H and others, I understand the view that Noynoy is not perfect and does not have a brilliant legislative career behind him. Nicki Perlas, Gordon and Bro Eddie r certainly very qualified in their own respective ways, but to me it’s about not wanting to split the vote to favor GMA and her people. In an ideal world, I might have preferred Nicki’s credentials, for example. But we r practically in a triage situation at this point.

She later said the following which was, to me, a more satisfying response after a long exchange:

It should be remembered that it was Mar Roxas who was gunning for the presidency, and Hyatt 10 who supported him. Noynoy was not in the picture at all. It was Mar and his people who had a machinery, not Noynoy. U r absolutely right that it was Cory’s death that catalyzed his candidacy, which is why I had some reservations in the beginning. A mother’s death is not a basis for supporting someone.

[…]

Thanks for your response. No, I’m not voting for Noynoy regardless. There is still a little time and I may change my mind if new information or new configurations come up. But, yes, for now that’s where I stand.

Some of the boys from AntiPinoy also wanted to join the debate but it was a shame that the rest of the “getrealist” mob’s rebuttal have been deleted from Mr Margallo’s article. It means none of them stood a chance of defending their views. I was lucky enough to have finished my discussion with Lila before the administrators abruptly put an end to the thread.

Over at the Website Noypi Ako!, I was so flattered to find out that my previous blog Nonoy Aquino Supporters Get Desperate has been copied and pasted on their site for the rest of the pro-Noynoy supporters to peruse. This is such great news to me. This proves that some pro-Noynoy supporters are open-minded enough to see an article like that as being worth a read. Of course I didn’t get the expected agreeable commentaries but rather, I got (translated in English) “Why did you have to post that hate blog on this site?” and “I would rather hear stories about how Noynoy babysitting James (Kris’ son) turned out!”. I didn’t mind those ones but what I mind and I found really shocking was some of the claims that I am just one paid hack:

@awie, i know you mean well. reyna elena and b7 folks know the history of these ‘creatures’. mga masisipag na ‘bayaran’ ‘tong mga ‘to. if you want to help them with their livelihood, good for you because nakatulong ka.

here’s another one:

To be honest, I don’t read paid write-up critical of Noy.

and another one:

Gian youre just wasting your time discussing with them you know why? they are just doing their job.

Sigh. I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry when I read the above comments. And I really don’t know what to make of this phenomenon. What is the proof that I am a paid hack? Just because I write blogs about Noynoy doesn’t mean that I work for Villar or Gibo. Do pro-Noynoy supporters have access to Villar or Gibo’s bank account? Here’s pro-Noynoy logic at work: You criticise Noynoy = You are a paid hack. Full stop. End of discussion.

What’s our society gotten down to? You can’t have any real dialogue or conversation without being accused or labeled so and so with very little or no basis at all. I really think that they are just firing blanks and hoping the noise will scare us, because instead of giving us a rebuttal or use any real ammunition in Noynoy’s defense, it becomes easier to just dismiss us immediately.

Here’s another assertion by people from the Liberal party about journalist Jojo Robles who wrote the article “Noynoy Aquino Running on Empty” (I have deleted some names):

Comment 1

anyways, the guy who wrote it is Jojo Robles, once acting editor in chief and now relegated to mere columnist of Manila Standard – who is one of the MANY MANY MANY people in media said to be in Manny Villar’s payroll (that itself, was pointed out to me by his former colleagues in Manila Standard)..here’s what S*** A***** who used to be Business Editor of the Manila Standard said about Robles and that particular piece he wrote

Comment 2

this was written by Jojo Robles. Pay it no mind. Me carga yan. Nasa payroll ni Villar yan. I’m very sure about that. In fact your friend (anti-Noynoy Belgian manager of the Century Park Sheraton hotel, *********) posted it pa on his profile last week. And you know naman, since I launched my new blog, I have to read, read, read everything. That’s why I didn’t post it na on the blog e. Hay sus. I know Robles like the back of my knees (not in the biblical sense ha, yak!) but just bec. we worked together in Standard. And having edited the opinion section, I know when he’s cargado or not. (More often than not.)”

Again, where is the proof? There’s just too much talk of being under someone’s payroll but no evidence to speak of. All hearsay. If you read the entire article of Jojo Robles, he wasn’t even endorsing any other candidate. It’s the same with my articles. I may be guilty of criticising Noynoy but I have never endorsed anyone else because I am still in the process of assessing who I will campaign for, and for this, I’m being accused of being in the payroll of another. Where is the logic in that? And by the way, when I read an article in a local publication, I use my brain and judge it on the merit of the article’s message. I try to find out whether the writer has a point or not. I don’t judge it based on whether the writer was paid or not by Noynoy’s opponents. If we can’t even trust our journalists, who can we trust? It seems to me that Filipinos can’t really tolerate or trust each other. What hope is there for our society?

Personally, I have recently been dedicating most of my blogs to Noynoy Aquino as a way of searching for answers or enlightenment as to why he is so popular in those SWS “surveys”. I just don’t see in Noynoy what other pro-Noynoy’s see in him. Writing about him is like an exercise in demystifying Noynoy the person. Pro-Noynoy supporters always write about how he is the right person to lead our nation. I just want to know why. So far, Ms Lila Shahani has been kind enough to admit that the reason why she is leaning strongly towards Noynoy at the moment is because he is what the majority has chosen to defeat Gloria Arroyo. To her, Noynoy is the lesser evil among the rest of the candidates. Fair enough. Like she said, everyone is free to choose their own candidate. Likewise, as far as I’m concerned, I’m free to choose the candidate I want to scrutinise, especially since the candidate I choose to scrutinise is likely to be the next president of the Republic of the Philippines. Better to scrutinise him now than after the election is over — a concept that most Filipinos are not familiar with because as Bert (another commentator from FV) would say, “We’ll just surge the gates!” later on.

Sadly, not a lot of Filipinos get what we are trying to do here in Antipinoy.com. Our colleague BongV said it best:

The call for New Politics is not connecting those who need it most – the marginalized immature electorate. The message needs to be delivered and delivered hard. We have the chance to arrest, stop, block the continued lopsided rule of the oligarchs and their stooges.

All the tricks in the book which use emotional buttons can be addressed by facts and logic. We raise the level of debate by separating the goat from the sheep.

In the interest of balanced blogging, lest I get accused of being biased against Noynoy, please find below my table of comparison for all the top contenders:

The above illustrates what possible reasons people see in all their chosen candidates. Take Villar for example. His evil barometer might be very, very high but when people talk about someone with money, some people equate it with success. His supporters probably admire him for his ability to make lots money in a short period of time. As far as they’re concerned, how he made it or where he got it is still debatable and as far as the public sees it, a person is innocent until proven guilty. Any claims that he is corrupt are just hearsay and never been proven in court despite the number of people talking about it. Another phenomenon that is uniquely Filipino is to label someone corrupt without ever filing any charges against him or her. Even when a case has been filed, it is never followed through so there is very little success in bringing the case to closure. It speaks volumes of the kind of society we have. This is where the phrase “The people have spoken” so aptly applies.

As for Gibo, if it weren’t for his association with Gloria Arroyo and the fact that he is a member of the oligarchs, he would have been getting high marks. As someone pointed out, most of his supporters are women. Enough said.

Richard Gordon as far as I’m concerned is like Hillary Clinton. He is running for the presidency at the wrong time. If it weren’t for Noynoy Aquino, he would be “the lesser evil” to campaign for. People find it so hard to discredit him. There’s the occasional “He cries too much” observation, and to some political insiders, there is “If I wasn’t aware of his shenanigans during the FVR years, I would vote for him” and “He’s still young, his time will come”. Hang on minute…Dick Gordon, still young?! You’ve got to be kidding me!

Nicanor Perlas is just too straight, too wise, too unknown and too unfunded in the sea of famous names, moneyed and supposedly corrupt candidates. Nick is an underdog, the man we should be rooting for and the only one with a platform. A platform is another concept that is totally alien to the rest of the voting public. It is such a hard concept to sell which is why every election is just a carbon copy of the last. Sadly, in a society obsessed with celebrities, Nick doesn’t stand a chance.

Joseph “Erap” Estrada to me is just a total failure in thinking. I just don’t know why he is still running. It is too incomprehensible really. Does he want to finish what he started? He epitomizes what’s wrong with our society. He is a show-off, braggart and totally enjoying impunity. He doesn’t miss a chance for a photo-op every time he is donating goods to the poor. I can see why his supporters still want Erap around, especially those who need his dough.

Brother Eddie is going to be our moral compass. He will be the Ayatollah Khomeini of the Philippines. Enough said.

There you go pro-Noynoy supporters. I deliberately left out Noynoy. Feel free to fill in the data for Noynoy yourself as I really don’t see what you see in him and as you said, Antipinoy has been given the given the flack for being too anti-Noynoy just like Filipino voices has become too pro-Noynoy. To be honest, an election without Noynoy in the picture looks better doesn’t it? This scenario encourages people to work harder and be less enamored with dynasties and oligarchs.

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256 Responses to Noynoy Aquino supporters are getting fed up

  1. UP n grad says:

    FilipnoVoices have banned me, too it looks like. Either because I’ve posted into antiPinoy or because Nick and FilipnoVoices moderators like the Lila Shahani a lot or both. Cool!!!

    • karl says:

      “FilipnoVoices have banned me, too”

      Say,what?

    • ilda says:

      Oh no! Up N and Karl have both been banned too! This is just not right. Sorry to hear that guys. You have a home here 🙂

      • UP n grad says:

        I just posted this into FilipinoVoices. [awaiting moderation for the meanwhile, we see if it “shows up” in 2 hours or less.]
        =================================
        This is the premise — that the Filipino Voices COMMENT POLICY is not specific enough.

        This is my suggestion especially now that FV “board” are discussing deleting comments and banning of “…rude obnoxious commenters”.

        Post now the comments of past 5 days that became the basis which made FilVoices decide to ban UP n, benign0 (and any others). Post again the comments from benign0, UP n, others which has been deleted.

        The purpose is clarity. Those who repeat UP n’s, benign0’s mistakes suffer the same
        consequences in the future.
        [There should be no need to get UP n’s or benign0’s approval for a reposting of their blog-comments — they gave it when they posted into FilVoices.]

        Mark with ##### or ***** any phrases or words that
        the Filvoices folks found offensive.

        Cheers!

  2. BongV says:

    UP n grad.

    You of all people? Banned on FV? WTF?

    • UP n grad says:

      Karl / Bong: Again, FilipinoVoices just rejected my posting of a comment (I’ll post it here. You are good hosts is what I heard. “Good” to mean you welcome all pests, you may argue vehemently with folks you disagree with, but rumor is that you let them post.)
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      The following sentence won’t mean much to the FilpnoVoices folks who only care about who is the better candidate. This blog comment is not about Gordon-being-better or Villar’s-the-guy nor if Noy’s the One. It is this — “NoyNoy is vulnerable, quite vulnerable.”

      NoyNoy’s risk is with the masa — class-D and class-E. Thus, to me, NoyNoy’s risk is coming from Erap. I don’t have any source for this one, but I am guessing that 8% to 12% of that NoyNoy 40% is from class-D/E. Maybe higher if Pinas classes-D/E are super-emo. To me, that support is shallow. The sentiment is for Cory. Evidence — no one was even thinking of a presidentiable-NoyNoy until 3 days after Cory died. Since the support is from Cory’s death, then when the masa during coming weeks shifts to thinking politics/economics away from pakikiramay, pressure is put onto that 40% number. Will the classes-D/E begin to wonder about NoyNoy as elitista — …a big chunk of Noynoy’s supporters are in the business sector, sparks noted. When the masa hear that line as they get courted again by Erap-para-sa-mahirap, NoyNoy survey-40% is at high risk. Maybe NoyNoy can hang onto the urban class-E if it were true that …The Aquino platform is strong in the support for urban land reform. Villar has a claim to urban-poor, too — this local-boy-from-Tondo. For the rural-masa where NoyNoy has said little, sparks did note about the risk to NoyNoy — Hacienda Luisita and “Erap-para-sa-mahirap”.

      And then, there is this — NoyNoy folks should worry that even the middle-class does not belong to Noy. The reason is Villar. While C5 is an albatross, isn’t Villar the only one with a special claim to the OFW-sector? It may be unclear what Villar has done for them and it may be unclear what Villar will do special for them, but Villar remains the presidentiable who has a claim to the OFW sector.

      OFW’s — 8 million strong, and you have to double that to 16 million (practically all voting age) once you add spouses and adult dependents left in Pilipinas. Villar. OFW’s. The question — What has NoyNoy done? — obviously also resonates into “What has Noy done for OFW’s?”

      It doesn’t matter NoyNoy as better candidate if NoyNoy doesn’t win Malacanang, does it?

      Why didn’t NoyNoy listen to benign0 from months ago when benign0 kept heckling — Where’s the beef? What do you offer, NoyNoy? Where’s your platform???? Maybe NoyNoy did not give a platform, it would have helped had NoyNoy gave an answer to the masa asking “What’s in it for me?” How do you help me? Wasn’t that the question from the woman NoyNoy mentioned in his speech to Makati Business Club?

      They have to fire quickly whoever has convinced the NoyNoy campaign to wait for the official opening of campaign period before showing what NoyNoy promises to do for the OFW’s different from GMA and different from Villar. The Villar team should continue pounding the message into the OFW sector — “Villar is the one, NoyNoy hasn’t even been thinking of OFW’s; Villar is the one who has always been thinking of how to help the OFW’s” while Erap continues to romance the masa with his “Erap-para-sa-mahirap” serenade (and Gibo courts the machinery — the candidates for local offices — with road-funds / infrastructure assistance with his “…will continue GMA economic programs” message).

      NoyNoy, favored by the elite, may be leading in surveys of 4 weeks ago, but it wouldn’t surprise me if NoyNoy does not get Malacanang. This is my opinion. Maybe come June2010, the NoyNoyistas do wake up to see that their age has come!!! But they are not helping their cause any if they continue hoity-toity sniping at those whose support NoyNoy needs.

      • susie2412 says:

        I have always believed that Noynoy is not apt to be a president of the Philippines. People should wake up and open their eyes.

        What have the Aquinos really done for the country?

      • ilda says:

        Exactly susie24!

        What have they done for the country? It seems they have reduce the entire nation into a soap opera.

        Cheers!

  3. Chino says:

    Even I am moderated now. It looks like Nick is organizing the “collective” for his intentions and booting out or suppressing the people who agree less with him.

    Lila Shahani herself mentioned the kind of vested interests they have in FV.

    “Let’s unite the opposition and get Gloria out of office.”

    This is basically what they’re all after. Her campaigning for Noynoy is probably part of her perceived plan to get GMA out and “fix the nation” in what she sees as the right way. But that’s the problem. She sees only her way as right – which is, kick out Gloria and vote in Noynoy. But kicking out someone is her main concern. Thus, she banks on hate politics to get her way. She has clout with Nick since it’s certain they have the same views. Most of them in FV are either anti-Gloria or pro-Noynoy, and they stick to these stances as if they were religions.

    You know, it’s tragic. Like her, we’re concerned for the well-being of our country. Why she suddenly has to jump on us because of our vehement criticism of Noynoy Aquino has me shaking my head. I guess there’s only one explanation about hers and her company’s mindset: if the country has to be fixed, we do it our way, and if you don’t join our way, you’re a traitor. That’s egocentrism, and that will do more harm than good.

    Readers out there, please read well!

    • Filo says:

      I’m still blocked at FV, and I’m not surprised.

      Anyway, tragic that what they want most is to get rid of Gloria any which way they can. This means that they’d probably put up with anyone becoming president as long as that person vows to put Gloria behind bars. So if the cards fall a bit differently, a second Erap administration isn’t impossible, just improbable. Indeed, Filipinos will get the government they deserve.

      • BenK says:

        That would actually be pretty funny.

      • ilda says:

        Hi Filo

        I can’t believe you’ve been blocked too. Your avatar doesn’t help your cause. People might think it’s too hostile , hehe

        You are right about Erap. We say he’s crazy for running again but I have a feeling that guy really knows what he’s doing all this time. He knows the masa too well 🙂

      • Filo says:

        Ey Ilda. Some say Erap isn’t necessarily out of the running if INC and El Shaddai would pledge their support for him. Knowing that we’re subject to a system that gets minority presidents elected, I do wonder how big a fraction of the electorate these groups really do guarantee in the bag.

    • ilda says:

      Readers out there, please read well!

      Readers out there: some sites are just too pro-Noynoy. They have an agenda. They have aligned themselves with the Liberal party. They (might be) under the Liberal party’s payroll. Touché🙂

      • UP n grad says:

        ilda and bongV: Even if you take out the NoyNoy-is-our-Guy and May2010 issue and the discussion is about global warming or planting-rice-is-no-fun, there remains where FilipnoVoices and bogV or BenK have, to put it gently, “… differences in approach”.

        Applying the point of view of Property rights. My house, my rules. Property rights our subdivision, our rules, then FV’s model is targetted to be La Vista Subdivision, Quezon City — gated.
        Not Malate nor the Morato Avenue Quezon City areas with a mishmash of urbanity and variety — Starbucks plus bars where dudes like Conyo and jetH who love to P-A-R-T-Y can get rowdy.

        That’s what I see. Kinda cool to observe what is happening. The contrast between models is stark (La Vista versus Malate) at the same that both models are attractive to different sectors.

  4. BenK says:

    These “paid hack” dumbf#*ks actually out themselves with their accusations. “Paid hacks” (and I know, because I am one — for Toyota at the moment) are paid to PROMOTE something, not to denigrate or criticize something else. Only someone who is actually doing “paid hack” wrong themselves could even conceive of such a bass-ackwards thing.

    • ilda says:

      Hi Benk

      The fact that they are capable of accusing others of being paid with very little basis speaks volumes of the kind of mentality they have. There’s this saying “It takes one to know one.” They have to be careful with what they say because it might just backfire on them.

  5. UP n grad says:

    FilpnoVoices will block the IP-address, not the Name (I still remember the effort Nick/FV mods put into the cat-ant-mouse game between them and Renato Pacifico).

    As JoeAm has mentioned, Nick/FilpnoVoices is trying to sanitize the blogsite. Mixing it up is not allowed at FilVoices. The metrics for what is “sanitary” is based on golden rule — Nick’s got the gold, Nick gives the rules — Nick very uncomfortable with big boys and big girls mixing it up. What happens then is the squeaky-wheel rule.

    Squeaky-wheel rule is a rule at FilVoice (squeaky-wheel NOT a rule at antiPinoy). Mixing it up is not allowed at FV — a squeaky-wheel complainer gets their mods doing the chase. Heated discussions between JoeAm and, say, bongV gets sustained at FilVoices because neither JoeAm nor bongV will ask the moderators to intervene.

    Damsels who play damsels-in-distress, different story. The FilVoices cavalry rushes in to save them. Different story with damsels who can mix it up with the big nasty bullies of the playground — how caffeine conducts herself at FilVoices a good example. FilVoices cavalry don’t need to pacify the playground for caffeine ‘cuz they ain’t needed.

    Different folks, different strokes. That’s what I see.

    • jethernandez says:

      Hehehehe… welcome to the club of “paid hacks”. Nick is now singing… SHALALALA… SHALALA in the morning… changing the lyrics to SHAHAHANI SHAHANI in the morning…

      I guess I just have to repost this one… the one that solicited a reaction from JOE A

      ================================================================

      Let us operationally define Ignoy “handlers and spin doctors” as a-1’s (a-holes 1) and supporters as a-2’s (a-holes 2). Let’s take off from the theoretical framework of Wilfredo Pareto’s 80/20 rule… A-1’s are those who have the greedy perception of benefiting from the loot of the Presidency once Ignoy wins the seat (the 20%). the A-2’s are those who are either intellectually ignorant or emotionally stupid… or both.

      The A-1’s are the members of the Liberal Party and other turncoat politicians; Cory’s cronies (now Ignoy’s) that include the Lopezes, the Cojuangcos, the Ayalas and the majority members of the MBCs; the media pundits, hackers and spin doctors includes the likes of de Quiros, jologera Tordecillas and MLQ(gay) or MLQG.

      The 20 percent of the A-2’s comprises all the wannabe intellectuals or intellectual wannabes (INTELLECTUAL IGNORAMUSES) of pro-noynoy’s forums such as filipinovoices and barrio SHI.Te (sorry waray ang tatay ko that is the way they pronounce syete). The rest or 80 percent of the A-2s are those who’ve been initially moved by the coffin of Cory, who likes the ursh ursh pag iinarte ni Kris Aquino and the kabadingan of Boy Abunda. The 20 percent of the A-2s are a bunch HOPELESS CASE pricks who are full of themselves because of the books they’ve published, the articles they’ve posted on their blogs. They have twisted logic… since they own the blogs they just delete anything that opposes their fallacious hypotheses…

      Let us operationally define Ignoy “handlers and spin doctors” as a-1’s (a-holes 1) and supporters as a-2’s (a-holes 2). Let’s take off from the theoretical framework of Wilfredo Pareto’s 80/20 rule… A-1’s are those who have the greedy perception of benefiting from the loot of the Presidency once Ignoy wins the seat (the 20%). the A-2’s are those who are either intellectually ignorant or emotionally stupid… or both.

      The A-1’s are the members of the Liberal Party and other turncoat politicians; Cory’s cronies (now Ignoy’s) that include the Lopezes, the Cojuangcos, the Ayalas and the majority members of the MBCs; the media pundits, hackers and spin doctors includes the likes of de Quiros, jologera Tordecillas and MLQ(gay) or MLQG.

      The 20 percent of the A-2’s comprises all the wannabe intellectuals or intellectual wannabes (INTELLECTUAL IGNORAMUSES) of pro-noynoy’s forums such as filipinovoices and barrio ****e (sorry waray ang tatay ko that is the way they pronounce syete). The rest or 80 percent of the A-2s are those who’ve been initially moved by the coffin of Cory, who likes the ursh ursh pag iinarte ni Kris Aquino and the kabadingan of Boy Abunda. The 20 percent of the A-2s are a bunch HOPELESS CASE pricks who are full of themselves because of the books they’ve published, the articles they’ve posted on their blogs. They have twisted logic… since they own the blogs they just delete anything that opposes their fallacious hypotheses…

      Please Ilda… tell me I’m wrong… hehehehe…

      Tsers (in the words of my waray auntie living in the UK… for CHEERS)

      Jet

      PS
      Just recently NICK PR#CK of filipino voices posted that his forum site is NON-PARTISAN… NON-PARTISAN my a.s.s. He has used the picture of Ninoy for his admin icon. He’s deleted my posts saying it’s a personal attack.

      ==========================END OF CITED REPLY ON ILDA’S ENTRY==========

      Lesson Learned: JUST FILL IN THE BLANKS… hehehehe….

  6. jethernandez says:

    OOOPS sorry… double pasting…

  7. msr says:

    what’s the point of lambasting Gloria, she’s not even running for presidency. that’s what Noynoy’s problem. Now, i think, they have come to their senses and come up supporting the C5 issue over Villar.

    • ilda says:

      Hi msr

      It’s because people are afraid that she might be the first Prime Minister of the Philippines. They are also afraid that she might win as a Congresswoman in her hometown. This is a country who believes in superstition and religious miracles. They also believe that Gloria is a cat with 9 lives.

      Just vote wisely my friend.

      • UP n grad says:

        “GMA Talsik Diyan! Buy PearlView Hair Product” is straightforward propaganda.

        Distraction increases yielding to propaganda by inhibiting counterarguing.

        http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=1970-20808-001&CFID=5917272&CFTOKEN=45454422

        Especially powerful when you first get the audience angry before telling them
        what they should to “… to correct the problem”.

        GMA Talsik Diyan is solved by 1987 Constitution. GMA walks out of Malacanang no matter.
        Vote Gordon — GMA walks out of Malacanang come June 2010.

        Logical battleground to stop GMA-Prime Minister is elections at second-district-Pampanga.
        Action is to support the other candidate running against GMA there.
        not support presidential-candidate-this or pres-candidate-that.

        Logical…. some folks not running on logic.

  8. peter nash says:

    I disagree on the following:
    “Sadly, in a society obsessed with celebrities, Nick doesn’t stand a chance.”

    You may have a point, but I refuse to accept that. As a Perlas supporter, I’m so much hopeful and I’m doing what I can to give our country a chance.

    Still, good article.

    ————————————-
    PERLAS TAYONG LAHAT
    ————————————-

  9. BongV says:

    Hi Karl/UP:

    Sorry to hear about your getting banned on FV.

    Have had enough of FV’s moderation and deletion – it’s not a real forum anymore.

    AP may not agree with what guests and commenters have to say – but will fight to the death, your and other’s rights to say what you have to say.

    As I have always maintained, how can FV, MLQ, B7 and Ellenville be promotors of democracy, transparency, and accountability when they can’t even be democratic in their own blog sites.

    For short, puro palabas.

    • UP n grad says:

      One of the things about folks verbally slugging it out on a blogsite is this — there is no bloodshed. Even if one or both the participants get so riled up that they barf, the non-participating audience do not see nor smell the barf. this means to me that there is no hurry to step in to save a damsel throwing a tantrum.

      And heckling is a technique for getting information. It often shows itself — “pikon talo”. The angered pikon blabbers on with non-sequiturs. The non-sequitur not only reveals lack of discipline; the non-sequitur usually reveals biases and prejudices. “I can’t talk to you unless I know your candidate; I can’t talk to you unless I know what school you graduated from.”

      Pikon-talo. How long can one get involved in a verbal slugfest, for an entire evening?

      • UP n grad says:

        UP n grad above – January 28th, 2010 at 2:47 pm – commented about failure to post into FilipinVoices. I I’ll get him to try again to see if the technical or whatever block-mechanism is gone.

        Nope……. (message for JoeAm)
        Still didn’t go through.

    • UP n grad says:

      I do not believe that Karl has been blocked at FilipinoVoices. Look again at his blog comment — he was quoting me.

      • karl says:

        I was quoting you there UPn, but if my comment I just made there will not appear by tomorrow,I understand I too have days when I sleep beyond 12 hours.

        sorry for the confusion,but if they do ban me,fine.I will charge it to experience.

        To the getrealists:

        I do thank you for allowing me here, I have to Facebook message the the blog owner when I had problems with open iD.

        I know I had isues with benign0,but as benign0 says the blogosphere is not a place for love-ins.

      • karl says:

        They published it.

  10. Joe America says:

    I refuse to believe that UP n or Karl have been banned from FV. Both are constructive commentators, never personal, always issues based, always providing insight. I have personally been blocked or moderated on the site, sometimes for length, sometimes for words, sometimes because the FV computer takes over and locks me out, like Hal and the spacedudes in 2001. I send Nick an e-mail and he corrects that.

    I don’t know why AP feels such a need to compete with FV, or put them down. Is it insecurity or what? Rather like the obsession with Noynoy. After a few dozen blogrolls knocking the guy, or a few dozen “Nick the Prick” insults, who really cares? What have you BUILT lately?

    Joe

    • BongV says:

      AP:

      Frankly, there’s no competition between AP and FV. The perspectives are wider than the Grand canyon.

      The issue boils down to this – freedom of expression.

      FV moderates/deletes posts that do not toe the FV line – whatever that chimera is.

      AP dishes out.. and takes it as well. Level Playing Field – no mods.

      There is a filter in place to replace cuss words with *** – but deleting the sentence??? Or moderating a comment by 2 to eight hours? To paraphrase a concept related to justice – a comment delayed/deleted is a comment denied.

      Put FV down? I dunno abt that – it seems doing pretty well tripping on its bar set so low.

    • benign0 says:

      Let me respond to you with a question too, Mr Joe America:

      What has FilipinoVoices.com built?

      Does it stand as a true collective voice? Or is it a mere collection of writers?

      There is a big difference between being a collective and being a mere collection.

      Why is it that you seem averse to competing? Where there is a mountain to climb, you will find climbers. Where there is a river to cross you will find forders. Is it an environment of people giving mutual high-fives to one another the kind of place you prefer to hangout? Well FV is that kinda place. Is it a world where every collective blog gets along with the other collective blog that you seek? I believe in such a world, there will be no TRUTH routinely emerging. Because it is only in a world where ideas compete FIERCELY that TRUTH routinely emerges, Mr America.

      You should know. That is what made your country of birth great.

    • ilda says:

      @Joe

      I refuse to believe that UP n or Karl have been banned from FV.

      Oh c’mon Joe. It is very disappointing of you to say this. It’s like saying we paid UpN and Karl to say they have been banned. Give me a break. They said they were banned so this means they must have tried to make a comment and the site wouldn’t let them. It’s that simple. Why are you reading their claim as a conspiracy by AP against FV?

      You must have blinked and missed the fact that Benign0 and The Real Deal made several comments on Abe’s blog and they were all deleted without a trace including Ms Lila’s responses to it. Go and ask Nick or Abe why they deleted them. It’s not like the boys used bad words. They just used logical ones.

      Use your better judgment Joe. The fact that you can still hurl insults in our direction and not be banned or moderated should tell you a lot about AP’s healthy self-esteem.

      I don’t even have to try and put FV down, they do it themselves. I just state the facts here on AP as it happens. The truth has to be revealed.

      Cheer up Joe

    • ilda says:

      BTW Joe, if you think that FV has the moral high ground over AP, how come comments by their esteemed bloggers accusing Benign0 and his “barkada” as paid hacks and leftist haven’t been deleted yet? Do you find that fair? If they have to delete comments from Benign0 and the rest because it is not adhering to their “standards”, they should remove that kind of insult directed at Getrealist as well. Since it is still there, it says a lot about the level of their self-esteem. Touché

    • Chino says:

      It’s nice that you feel for UPn and Karl, and I hope you get the idea about why we’re complaining about FV, and why sites like ours are around. “Unite the opposition and kick out Gloria” is a thinly disguised way of saying, “we want to take over and run the country our own way.” Anti-Glorianism and Noynoyism are rabid religions that have taken the brains out of people who should have them, and are among the real causes of a split opposition against a corrupt government. The more they take this George Bush-esque approach to their stance, the more damage they’ll do.

  11. benign0 says:

    Ultimately it is transparency that drives accountability. People drop the term “accountability” left and right without clearly understanding what it means. True Accountability can only be realised when the environment upon which it is being driven is transparent. This involves ensuring that there is a free exchange of information and ideas and a healthy competition among these to ensure that the best (surviving) idea emerges. How can you when you stifle this freedom?

    The Catholic Church (and most organised religion) are examples of institutions that have grown inbred, inflexible, and increasingly irrelevant (at least in progressive societies) because of their inability (or slowness) to absorb, process, and apply new ideas (as well as to critique and discard old or obsolete ones). These institutions have strong and often draconian inclusion/exclusion regimes (e.g. baptism and excommunication in the case of Catholics) and documented dogma that is not subject to re-evaluation and peer review.

    Thus those who wave fists and chant platitudes like “accountability” do so in a vacuous way and often their actual routine behaviour is woefully inconsistent to what they preach.

    It’s kind of the same principle as the way I describe how all this talk of “eliminating” corruption in our intellectually bankrupt society comes across as mere sloganeering. “Anti-corruption” politicians (and every man and his dog claims to be “anti-corruption”) are neverable to convincingly explain corruption in a systemic way. The fact is, corruption is a system — a system of dysfunction composed of several elements which I described thus in my book:

    […] these three examples represents the three key enablers to developing a cohesive and productive society – security, empowerment, and access. Without security there can be no openness. Without empowerment, there can be no efficiency. Without access there can be no simplicity. A society where everything is closed, inefficient, and complicated is fertile breeding ground for corruption.

    The above is an example of how one regards an issue, challenge, or problem as a system and is therefore inclined to develop solutions that work at fixing the system of root causes rather than simply whitewashing what are mere symptoms.

  12. Walter says:

    Hi, I know this is not the right place to ask but, do you have any articles (but I prefer a chart or a table) that summarizes the objectives/ platforms of vice/ and presidential candidates? For example, who among the candidates support the RH bill? Or what is their solution to poverty? What are their achievements?

    I think that a simple yet informative table will help voters decide on who to elect.

    Thanks!

  13. Maia says:

    Found this was retweeted by mlq3 and a few others.😛

    From tweeter cocoy:

    My open letter to you, dear reader. “We Prefer Hope Over Cynicism” This is Filipino Voices. link.

    So for them, Noynoy = Hope, Being logical = Cynicism.

    So much for Filipino Voices. I thought that Filipino Voices meant ALL KINDS of voices were accepted, because not all voices sound out the same message. That’s the most misleading name for a forum.

    (btw, hello again! i missed this place! XD)

    • ilda says:

      Hi Maia

      Welcome back to the war zone🙂

      I knew they should rename it Some Filipino Voice

      They should only delete bad words, not ideas.

      What hope? There is no hope when the people being accused of corruption are still out there mingling with the rest of Philippine society and even holding sensitive positions in government.

      • Maia says:

        Heto pa…

        mlq3 RT @hotmanila: asking Filipinos to stop worrying about Marcos is like asking Germans to stop worrying about Hitler
        about 11 hours ago from TweetDeck

        Is it just me or is that too much of an exaggeration?😄 I about died laughing at this.

    • Chino says:

      Even Anti-Glorianism = Hope. These Filipinos are so good at going against something, rather than for something. Maybe it’s their hobby to go against the government. They probably think, just get the bad guys out, good guys will instantly flow in. It’s hope without a definite plan = false hope.

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  15. Chino says:

    Say, my comment in “Reforming the Reformists” got through. Looks like I’m not that moderated after all. But when I directly address someone on conflict, like when I speak a piece to defend one of “us”, it will get edited out, Being picky with words I guess helps.

    • UP n grad says:

      Ilda and chino: First, I’ll say it like this ——- golden rule, he who has the gold, rules.
      Then I’ll say it like this —- property rights.
      Then I’ll present this as the model — a gated community.

      The old FilipinoVoices was much more chaotic with noise and loud disagreement tolerated.
      Those days are gone.

      As cocoy wrote, “…Where once we were a free for all blog, we have had to institute
      changes. …. with our Comment Policy, and our User Agreement,
      That’s why we moderate. Because we’ve had to. We’ve had to have moderators,”

      Different business-model, FilipinoVoices now puts a higher premium on “order
      and harmony”. That’s why…they moderate and comments that do not conform
      to their Comment Policy are deleted.

      Their house, their rules — gated community.

      • ilda says:

        Hi UpN

        They have had to moderate because they are now rubbing elbows with the people they are supposed to be writing about. There’s just too much padrino in Philippine society – the negative kind.

        They can’t even explain why ideas are being censored.

        I feel for you UpN. I didn’t think they would ban you too. There is hardly any balance there now.

      • The Real Deal says:

        It would have been great if the FV Moderators were “simply following rules.” The problem is that they aren’t!

        What they’re doing is following their own individual whims and caprices.

        I for one never used cusswords on them, I used pure logic to demolish their logic or lack thereof (and, modesty aside, I’m really good at it.😉 ), and of course, they’d feel hurt.

        But that’s how debates go. I don’t hit who they are. I hit their ideas, and that’s because 95% of the time, their ideas suck – in the objective sense, that is. Their ideas are either inconsistent, illogical, or are based on the wrong facts. And I always get to expose their ideas’ flaws. Of course, it makes them look like fools, but that’s why they’re supposed to put a lot of thought into it before choosing what to say in the first place. If I’m able to demolish their arguments, it’s because they didn’t do their homework to begin with.

        Now that’s where the problem lies. People like Buencamino have hurled cusswords at me thanks to how I exposed his ideas as being shallow and built purely on slogans and platitudes. Then there’s Lila Shahani whom I’ve questioned on several areas which reveals that despite her advanced degrees from some of the most prestigious international institutions of learning, she’s quite unaware of a lot of stuff. These two people are the types that go to the moderators to ask for assistance. Or you could say that in Lila Shahani’s case, the moderators wanted her – considered ROYALTY (for being a Ramos-Shahani) – to grace their board, so they stifled any dissent that would “hurt Lila’s feelings.”

        Very unfair of FV, honestly. To read that other people like UPnGrad or even Karl Garcia and Hyden Toro got their comments deleted or their IP’s banned shows that indeed there is something very wrong about FV.

        Not necessarily Nick Yap Cugtas or Cocoy Dayao, but some of the individual moderators to whom great power is given.

        I received a message saying that Cocoy claims to have taken on all moderating tasks on FV, but quite clearly I am still totally unable to post anything there. In other words, they banned my IP! “Your comment is awaiting moderation” doesn’t even show up. The entire post just disappears into oblivion.

        Now with that in mind, this JOE AMERICA guy needs to get his head fixed because he’s so freakin’ biased towards the FV Gestapo. I mean honestly, what the hell is wrong with this guy?!? Defending the wrongs that FV has done? Refusing to acknowledge that SO MANY PEOPLE have been moderated/banned/had their comments deleted on FV?!?

        If you can’t understand what freedom of press is supposed to be, you’ve got to relearn it. Go back to America, Joe!

        (Sorry Joe, had to let that out. You’ve been such a pr!ck with all that pretentious sucking up to the FV mods. They only let you stay there ‘coz you’re a YANK! Worse, you’re a SIP-SIP Yank.)

      • Joe America says:

        Real Deal,

        You are a real sweetie.

        I merely represent what I believe, that FV’s intent is good (or why would they do it), they have the right to edit, and editing is not the same as censorship.

        For that view, I am invited to go back to America, called an ass hole, a prick, biased, a Christian (hahahahaha, heee hooo), a cry baby, and some other terms that have slipped past.

        I have not raised my voice.

        Now, who exactly around here is intolerant?

        Y’all are like hyenas, gathering as a pack to feast on the kill, the relentless yipping and yowling reinforcing the bloodlust.

        Joe

      • The Real Deal says:

        Just had to let it out, Joe.

        You really have been sucking up to the FV mods EVEN WHEN THEY CLEARLY ARE IN THE WRONG.

        There’s no other way to put it but that you’re SIP-SIP (look it up, if you have absolutely NO IDEA as to what that means, Joe).

        I admit, I’m intolerant of bullshit. And you’ve been bullshitting the whole time. So many times have numerous different people – some FV oldtimers – talked about being banned (IP’s), put on automatic moderation, or finding out that their posts have been deleted and guess what you bullshittingly denied that such a thing happened. No different from Holocaust Deniers (Ilda has an article on that).

        You’ve got to stop the flip-flopping Joe. I’ve seen you occasionally grow some brains here and there, but whenever you flat out deny that the FV people have been biased DESPITE THE OBVIOUS EVIDENCE and the increasing number of people who report to have experienced being moderated or banned (even people who are clearly unaffiliated with Benign0, BongV, or BenK), you’re sucking up to them and bullshitting. What the hell for, Joe?

        Censorship is when FV outright DELETES our posts or bans us from replying there. That’s censorship. That they may occasionally edit stuff also counts as that, but what people are really angry about is not just the editing. So no bullshit from you, please. Call a friggin’ spade a spade. You need to admit that FV deletes other people’s comments and bans them and the evidence is clear…

        This site, antipinoy.com, and the other site “Unmoderated Filipino Voices” would not have existed at all were it not for FV’s dictatorial censorship style of deleting posts, banning IP’s, and placing people whose views run counter to the FV consensus on permanent moderation.

        Quit the bullshit, ok, Joe? Learn to call a spade a spade. No sugarcoating. And no sucking up to the FV mods. Tell them that they’re wrong when they’re wrong. Now that’s INTEGRITY!

      • aren’t you glad you got that off your chest?
        if you like censorship so much you should be a human rights activist in china.
        good luck with melamine milk!

    • Joe America says:

      Well, Chino, I suppose if you were a covert operator and wanted to get your idea across, you would simply learn to write in a style that is acceptable to FV, but slip in your digs. I have no problem being pro-Gordon and anti-Noynoy in my remarks there.

      I think y’all are making too big a deal out of it, like taking it personally.

      It’s an editorial perspective, is all. You have them at Fox or NBC or on the John Daily Show, or Saturday Night Live, or Rush Limbaugh’s show. Freedom does not say anything goes. It gives editors rights, you know. Y’all have hobgoblins in your mind.

      Try adapting, eh, or forgetting about it.

      Joe

      • jethernandez says:

        Lo and behold!!!! Joe… still in a kiss-A.ss mode.

        1. Your assumption in form of a stupid question that the behavior of the AP is to compete is… simply stupid. Why in the hell would you think that way?

        2. You’ve assumed that AP posters are insecure. Hehehehehe… bwahahahaha… What makes you think that BongV for example is insecure with Cocoy… just to be more exact with your sweeping generalization. NOT AN INCH… NOT AN INCH JOE… i tell you.

        3. There is an obsession on Noynoy.

        Tsk tsk tsk… these are what you call FALLACIES joe… before you post those stupid presumptuous questions… you must state your argument first. Leading questions are stupid questions.

        On your troll on Chino…

        1. FOX, NBC and whatever shows you’ve stated are not INTERNET FORUMS in the first place. The format is just state your OPINION… state ANOTHER OPINION… Whatever form it is… that doesn’t matter… it is the substance that counts… let me throw back your trash to you —ARE YOU GOD? FYFI (for your f.u.cking information) folks here did not engage in gutter speak when they were posting at FV.

        2. Your suggestion stinks… there are x numbers of forums when trolling and flame wars die down without applying censorship through deletion and moderation. NICK THE P.R.ICK is just a plain and simple HYPOCRITE… stating that it is NON-PARTISAN… NON-BIAS… NICK CUGTAS from Cebu… IS AN A-HOLE WHEN IT COMES TO HIS FV FORUM…

        Love

        Jet

      • Joe America says:

        Jet,

        Your usual smooth and diplomatic self, I see.

        The issue is, does a blog sponsor have the right to edit? The answer, of course, is that he does. He bears responsibility for what is published under his banner. If comment is suspected of being libelous or slanderous, he has a right not to publish. If it is obscene, he has a right to hold the site to a higher standard. If it is racially offensive, he has a right to withhold publication. Some would say obligation, not right.

        You, the contributor, have no rights other than what you earn through constructive commentary. Alas, you have not earned the right to publish on FV because you fail to distinguish between issue and personality, and always to go personality. That is not what the editor is looking for.

        It is so very simple, really.

        Joe

      • BongV says:

        Joe:

        The only way to ensure freedom of the press is to have your own press.

        FV is its own press.

        AP is its own press.

        Now as to which press recognizes freedom of expression – that’s a no-brainer.

        ****
        LIBERTE’

        ****

        We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still. ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

        The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion. ~Henry Steele Commager

        The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen. ~Tommy Smothers

        Censorship reflects society’s lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. ~Potter Stewart

        We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our peril, risk and hazard. ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764

        The dirtiest book of all is the expurgated book. ~Walt Whitman

      • Joe America says:

        BongV,

        When an editor marks up a book, he is not censoring. He is applying his standards.

        Joe

      • Joe America says:

        The government that bans the book is censoring.

      • Conyo says:

        “Every edit is a lie.”

        — Jean-Luc Godard

        Consider, my dear friends, that Yahweh and Jesuhovah spoke and these words were written down by those heard them first hand. But something happened in between that point and The Bible we have now. Those words were EDITED. By whom? The Catholic Church! Why? So it can meet their standards? And what is the difference between standards and agenda? A standard is not mathematically precise. It is, in fact, loaded with BIAS.

        That is why every edit is a lie.

        Joe, I hope this doesn’t stop you from sending more dollars!

        See you at Starbucks🙂

      • ilda says:

        Hey JoeAm

        You never really answered me here:

        BTW Joe, if you think that FV has the moral high ground over AP, how come comments by their esteemed bloggers accusing Benign0 and his “barkada” as paid hacks and leftist haven’t been deleted yet? Do you find that fair? If they have to delete comments from Benign0 and the rest because it is not adhering to their “standards”, they should remove that kind of insult directed at Getrealist as well. Since it is still there, it says a lot about the level of their self-esteem. Touché

        Cheer up Joe – don’t be so biased.

      • jethernandez says:

        Ey joe…

        I just call spade a spade… Your argument is always presumptuous.

        1. Your first paragraph assumes that we do not know the rules of engagement in joining forums and blogs discussions. beeep… wrong argument… try again. Facts cited are moot and academic.

        2. NICK the PR.ick as an editor/blog owner/forum owner is just filtering those that do not conform with his biases… deletes them… proof… go through the ANTI-GLORIA threads posted before the noynoy’s streak of opportunism… most of them are “libelous” by your standards. yet he’s allowed it to be posted. some of them are posted by either by moi or my other psuedo. it is his CYBER-GOD given right to do WHATEVER HE LIKES. no one in the world can take that right away from him…

        3. Fu.ck.t three… NICK the P.R.ICK is a pro-noynoy / anti-gloria… these are his biases… anything that annoys these biases are deemed for editing or deletion… ergo… cyber censorship.

        4. In my case… I am not whining or crying on Nick the P.rick Cugto’s cyber-god-given right to censor and his exercise of such stupidity. I am just defining a spade a spade… he is full of HYPOCRISY when he keeps on posting that FV is a NON-BIAS, NON-PARTISAN forum…

        Love

        Jet

      • Conyo says:

        More concrete examples Joe:

        If President Clinton was recorded having a vulgar conversation with one of his interns. Should that conversation be EDITED to meet somebody’s standards? No. I would like to hear every word. The more the cussing the better!

        If a Catholic Priest abuses a boy, should the facts be EDITED from the general public?

        If Congressional investigators want to listen to the Nixon Tapes to find out THE TRUTH, should they be EDITED?

        I’m on an intellectual roll Joe. Why? I smell blood.

        See you at Starbucks🙂

      • jethernandez says:

        careful conyo on the “intellectual” engagements with nick the pr.ick’s apologist. he might indirectly say that you’re racist and a gutter speaker… he’ll end up whining again… shouting his usual line … “i’m an american… do i deserve this? i demand respect”…

        see you at the point-point…

        PS

        sa turo-turo ang kape merong extra laway tastes of the jeepney drivers… they don’t wash the coffee cups… makes that male bonding kinda thing more effective…

      • Conyo says:

        Jet,

        Nick may be a dumbass but Cocoy is the one who is EVIL. Picture pa lang ni Cocoy, sindak na ako. Kinda reminds me of Kim Jong Il who, interestingly, also likes to CENSOR or “EDIT” (as JOE likes to redefine it, which I have clearly proven is a LIE) everything that happens in North Korea. Maybe in another life, Cocoy will get his wish and be a dictator where he could rule a country according to his “Standards”.

        But let’s not be too hard on JOE. We need his DOLLARS!

        See you at Starbucks🙂

      • Conyo says:

        Okay I smell blood so let me DESTROY Joe’s arguement.

        Definition of Edit (www.merriam-webster.com)

        a : to prepare (as literary material) for publication or public presentation

        b : to assemble (as a moving picture or tape recording) by cutting and rearranging

        c : to alter, adapt, or refine especially to bring about conformity to a standard or to suit a particular purpose

        For blogging, definition C is most applicable.

        Pay attention to the words ALTER and CONFORMITY… “to suit a particular purpose.”

        So, you see. EDITING has ZERO impartiality. It is loaded with BIAS, which makes it inherently political. Also, I would like to add that the word CONFORMITY implies COERCION.

        So JOE, let me get this straight. You consider yourself a CHRISTIAN and you worked as a JOURNALIST. Now look at the very definition of EDIT from the damn dictionary and you are telling me with a straight face that there is nothing wrong EDITING the TRUTH?

        WOULD JESUS EDIT? WOULD GOD EDIT? CHRISTIANS like you are full of SH!T.

        But don’t take it personally, JOE. Have a nice day. We need your dollars.

        See you at Starbucks🙂

      • jethernandez says:

        Ey conyo… easy on Cocoy… i think he’s in love… hehehehe… FV is now a MUTUAL ADMIRATION SOCIETY… Nick has found his Joe… and Cocoy has his Lila…

        So what’s wrong to be IN LOVE?

        See you at the POINT POINT…

      • Joe America says:

        Conyo,

        Whatever gave you the idea I am Christian. Indeed, I resent the name-calling. I prefer Jet’s asshole designation.

        Jet,

        Do you follow American Idol? You, in getting banned by FV, remind me of the singers who, upon hearing from the panel of judges that they are not qualified to go forward, go into a stonewall protest and have to get escorted from the studio by the bouncers. It’s like there is some rock wall in their brain that prevents them from comprehending that they do not fit the specs. As they act out the ego-reality disconnect, they completely fail to see the vivid truth that they are not what the producers are looking for. Instead, they make up lies to themselves and bad words for those watching. As if this would somehow change the reality, they just can’t sing.

        Ilda.

        I never said FV has higher moral standing. I said its editors have the right to edit. One man, or woman’s bias, is another’s esteemed value. I like MOST of AP, for it has good minds here, and I learn. Some of the stuff I can live without.

        Joe

      • DC Juana says:

        jethernandez:

        – cocoy is indeed in love, but it’s not w/ lila. cocoy is the online world’s version of efren-chasing-after-angel as he’s been hopelessly trying to flirt with a girl who unfortunately does not think of him as anymore than just a fellow blogger. online ligaw to the max. but cocoy doesn’t stand a chance. his ancestry just isn’t going to cut it. and when asks her “ba’t mo ko binasted?” her answer… “Eh kasi… DC Juana.”

      • Chino says:

        Actually, the reason for AP is because… we’re getting edited at FV. If it doesn’t appear at FV, we post it here. Simple as that. Not competition… just the alternative outlet.

      • BongV says:

        Exactly.

        Got fed up with the moderation and censorship of my comments at FV.

        It was so annoying to have your comment read 5 hours after the discussions have peaked.. WTF!

        Then Nick comes out with his “civility” crap – To which I have always maintained – I will not sacrifice liberty in the name of “preference”.

        Let’s duke it out – and settle it in the open – and let the chips fall where they lie.

        Listening to other views allows me to understand their perspective as well. Not only mine, but of other readers as well. If I allow comments that pass the “preference” test only – I deny myself and other readers the opportunity for learning. That’s not right.

        For a site that supposedly supports a candidate for honesty and freedom – how can it claim moral ascendancy when it deprives other views of freedom in its very own backyard.. living room even – it cannot even walk its own talk – THAT’S THE BEEF!

      • Chino says:

        That’s also another problem with FV. Claiming moral ascendancy. That they’re unbiased and non-partisan. Unfortunately, the actual influences have snuck in more quietly than you know it and helped kicked out an opposing side. Anyway, why should any site claim moral ascendancy… why should anyone?

        Probably they want to make the environment more pleasant to attract more readers and guests. Problem is, these guests will be open pickings for the partisan interest present at that site. Hmm, that’s seems to be the goal of this initiative. Creating a picking ground for the dominant partisan interest.

        Anyway, we’ve got our own picking ground here and at UFV. It wasn’t really competition at first… but it may well be now.

  16. Jeg says:

    Interesting. Your very own playground. Now stop whining and get on with your take on things. So somebody’s comment got moderated, someone got banned. Get over it. You have your own space now. Let the fun begin.

    I may be checking out both blogs so if I may request that you link to the other’s blog post when commenting on it on this space?

    Gracias.

  17. Conyo says:

    JET,

    LEAVE JOE AMERICA ALONE!!!

    WE NEED HIS DOLLARS!!!

    See you at Starbucks🙂

  18. homer says:

    Ahhh, forget FV.

    Frankly, we should stop giving them the attention they no longer deserve. As of now, getting banned there becomes a badge-of-honor…until it becomes so common that it becomes baduy, hehehe. Let them fade away by themselves for the un-democratic display of censorship going on there. The current lack of fire on the site is already an indication of things to come. People will eventually tire of the comments by the same ol’ blowhards who only want to show how intelligent, well-read, and well-versed they are (which is boring as ****). Collectively, they haven’t gone beyond being just another blogsite.

    Well, neither has AP (so far)…..but you know what? I like it here better…..much better. It’s not the quantity of posts that matter…..it’s the quality…and I believe that’s gonna get somewhere later. Oh, yah…we have the occasional a-hole popping-in with their annoying comments every now and then , but at least no one can complain of comments being deleted. That speaks volumes on credibility. Later on, some of the young and open-minded idealists at FV will see that and will follow the likes of those who have already shifted here.

    • Conyo says:

      I got banned before ALL of YOU.

      Sino ang ASTIG ngayon ha?

      See you at Starbucks🙂

      • BongV says:

        Conyo:

        You are THE man!🙂

      • Conyo says:

        BongV,

        I just wired our “payment” for your “web design services” to your swiss bank account🙂

        See you at Starbucks🙂

      • BongV says:

        Conyo:

        Dude, it’s short by $2.25 – you skimmed some more cents for the Venti latte?😀

        Or was it the chocolate fudge brownies – hmmm.. that’s the wrong brownie – the right one had medicinal weed… LOL

    • ilda says:

      You are so wise Mr Homer. But the experience there has been a hit for some reason. Less than 24 hours and this article has gone viral, hehe. I have a feeling there are so many people who are already disappointed at Noynoy’s supporters because of their behaviour. There are people who just want to get some validation because they don’t know what to believe in nowadays.

      But you are correct as usual. Thanks for the support🙂

      • Conyo says:

        Ilda,

        I seem to have misplaced your swiss bank account number.

        Please re-send via txt so we can complete our “transaction.”

        xoxo

        See you at Starbucks🙂

      • ilda says:

        Right. I seem to have misplaced your mobile number Conyo so I’ll meet you at Starbucks around noon tomorrow to complete the “transaction”. I’ll be wearing pink.

        See you at Starbucks and then the movies🙂

  19. Conyo says:

    Ilda,

    Perfect.

    We have another job for you. It appears that Hugo is starting to become a real pain. We might have to send you over there to give Mr. Chavez some “perspective”.

    See you at Starbucks🙂

    • ilda says:

      Ahhh…another tropical paradise? No thanks. The humidity is stifling already around here.

      See you at the movies🙂

      • Conyo says:

        Okay fine.

        We may have to send Agent Benign-Zero (God have mercy on them).

        See you at Starbucks🙂

      • ilda says:

        To tell you the truth Conyo, when I was writing about Villar, you were on my mind, hehe. You and your obsession with money. Thanks for the inspiration🙂

    • Conyo says:

      Ilda,

      I am glad to be a source of inspiration.

      But please, don’t don’t don’t fall in love with me.

      See you at Starbucks🙂

      • ilda says:

        It’s too late Conyo, your bad boy image has got me. Your aura of mystery is just too alluring. Not to mention your talk of money would sweep any woman’s feet off the ground. And you’ve got that brand that is so pleasing to the eye…not.

        See you at the movies🙂

      • Conyo says:

        I may not have Benign0’s charm
        Or something like BongV’s Pearl farm
        But my heart, now yours ‘hon
        Is bigger than BenK’s gun.

        See you at Starbucks🙂

      • ilda says:

        Ohhh…I poem just for me?! I had no idea you felt this way.

        I may have to start drinking coffee now just for you🙂

      • Conyo says:

        One more, better version:

        As I read you bash Noynoy
        I wonder if its just a ploy
        But it makes me want you more
        For there is much that I adore

        My heart lights up in flame
        As your blogs drive me insane
        I am at a loss on what to do
        I would give up Starbucks for you

        See you at …. wherever the hell you want🙂

      • ilda says:

        Now, I’m blushing…hihi.

        You’ve obviously brushed up on your wit.
        You have the gift of the gab…you are “the one” We have to thank Noynoy for this.
        Your willingness to give up coffee means you are really into me…but then…your bad boy image is suffering…the James Dean barometer is going low…I don’t know now…I’m feeling suffocated…I need some time to think…this is all going too fast…

        I need a drink.

  20. benign0 says:

    Here is a good idea posted by Mr Jeg in a comment on Cocoy’s “We Prefer Hope…” piece:

    Hi Cocoy. If youre going to enforce the comment policy of FV, I think this the right way to do it. Benny I think put up the site for comments to FV that didnt pass the policy as adjudged by its moderators. Maybe, if it isnt too technically difficult, a site where moderated comments can be viewed in full (like Tumblr, I dont know) can be linked to. It would be in keeping with the original vision of FV where everybody’s voice could be heard. It’s like letting them play in the garahe instead of the sala.

    This “garahe” is already set up. It’s called UnmoderatedFilipinoVoices.com. There is nothing technically difficult about readers being alerted to comments made from another blog, because under normal circumstances they get what is called a “ping back” whenever a blog post is cited in another blog.

    The trouble is it is not only comments that get moderated on FV. Even pingbacks from referring sites aren’t spared from being derezzed over at FV as well.

    So the question now to Cocoy (who I heard is now the absolute Lord of the Realm of Moderation in FV) I respectfully make is this:

    Will ping backs from UFV be displayed on FV?

    Note that I raised all of the above ideas and asked the above questions on FV. But it remains under moderation (or in a spam queue or whatever).🙂

    • Chino says:

      At least Jeg gives the clue that, “what? you mean everybody’s voice is no longer heard now? Not for everybody pala ang FV!” That’ll do something to FV’s rep without us lifting a finger.

  21. Chino says:

    Looking at the picture of Noynoy above… can’t help it. Di talaga bagay ang yellow. His skin tone does not match at all. Its sallowness contrasts with the brightness of his shirt. Noynoy in yellow = fail. Nyehehehehehe😛

    • homer says:

      Hi Chino,

      Baka naman yellow is for the streak on his back that may reveal itself when it’s time to deal with the subject of oligarchy (and other topics of national interest). Let’s see if he’s got a real sledgehammer to deal with corruption.

      Yellow also seems like a fit for Villar since he refuses to face his C-5 accusers. He should dump orange and wear yellow too.

      I also thought of Floyd Mayweather Jr. as yellow, but that’s another topic.

      • Chino says:

        I’m thinking of the common Filipino as yellow because they keep on voting for the dumb choices, have poor conduct amongst themselves (observable even while I vacation in Singapore) and are afraid of real change (culture change, parliamentary system). They think Noynoy will do everything for them. Actually, I pity Noynoy. He’s the butt of jokes when his manipulators are the ones who deserve the frying. But some Filipinos are just too yellow to acknowledge this.

      • Chino says:

        “I’m thinking of the common Filipino” – let me rephrase…. I’m thinking of the Anti-Pinoy… hehehe

      • homer says:

        Pare,

        Enjoy yourself in Singapore! Put away your laptop and drown yourself in Hainanese Chicken Rice. They can never do it as well here in Manila.

        Don’t worry…..when you get back, people will still be Anti-Pinoy, and Noy will still be around to make you laugh (poor guy)…..hehe.

      • Chino says:

        Pare, I’m already back in Quezon City. SInipon nga eh. But thanks, I have enjoyed myself in Singapore.🙂

  22. UP n grad says:

    He may never post this on this palengke of a blogsite, so this is a quote:

    manuelbuencamino
    January 29, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Cocoy,

    You know I’m against censorship of any kind. But it’s your blog.

  23. UP n grad says:

    Word-association — consider for “FilipinoVoices”.

    Hyde Park, London vs Tianamen Square, Beijing

    – La Vista Subdivision versus Malate or Tomas Morato areas.

    – Batasan versus Malacanang.

    Interestingly for me:
    – My tourist-brain-cells remind me I had a better time at Tianamen Square.
    – If I were buying a house money-no-object, I’d buy Forbes Park, there is a house along Balete I’d want next, but a La Vista house would be A-okay, too.
    – The power-brain-cells in me say MorePower to override other opinions is better — Malacanang.

    • UP n grad says:

      If I wanted a blogsite where I preach to the world, Tianamen/La Vista/Malacanang.

      Hyde Park/Malate/Batasan is what I build If I wanted a palengke where people can exchange (and I can listen to) ideas.

  24. UP n grad says:

    to bongV, benign0 and others: FilVoices frustrates because what they are building does not meet your architectural specs. Property rights. Their subdivision, their rules.

    • BongV says:

      UP:

      gated community is okay.

      what’s not cool is you say it’s “non-partisan”, when it is actually, partisan.

      the thing is – okay lang when MCB and Bert flick their boogers? but it’s not okay if people react with boogers, too?

      that’s not right.

      • UP n grad says:

        I also just posted this into FilipinoVoices and it is awaiting moderation.

        http://filipinovoices.com/we-prefer-hope-over-cynicism/comment-page-1#comment-136670

        —————————————-
        This is the premise — that the COMMENT POLICY is not specific enough.

        This is my suggestion especially now that FV “board” are discussing deleting comments and banning of “…rude obnoxious commenters”.

        Post the comments of past 5 days that became the basis which made FilVoices decide to ban UP n, benign0 (and any others). Post again the comments from benign0, UP n, others which has been deleted. The purpose is clarity. Those who repeat UP n’s, benign0’s mistakes suffer the same
        consequences in the future.
        [There should be no need to get UP n’s or benign0’s approval for a reposting of their blog-comments — they gave it when they posted into FilVoices.]

        Mark with ##### or ***** any phrases or words that
        the Filvoices folks found offensive.

        Cheers!

      • persons who don’t call a SPADE a SPADE will always resort to INTELLECTUALIZATION OF STUPIDITY…

  25. UP n grad says:

    bongV: Just think about this for a minute. FilipinoVoices and antiPinoy (as well as FreeThinkers or Philippine Commentary and other Filipino blogsites) — one community all wishing to improve the quality of Filipino blogging, right??? All committed to enhancing the exchange of ideas from one Pinoy to another Pinoy. What gets in the way every once in a while, though, are bad eggs — the rude and uncivilized.

    As cocoy wrote recently in FilipinoVoices for FilipinoVoices — “We encourage you to speak your mind, but let us be civilized.” They mention it because the Twitter-world got to hear that FilipinoVoices do moderate to where they (i) delete comments and/or (ii) ban commenters who violate their comment policy… and are rude or not civilized.

    So what makes sense is a better definition of “…rude and uncivilized”. If JoeAm gets to know the rules, then JoeAm gets to stay within the rules. If Primer Pagunuran gets to know the rules, then Primer gets to stay within the rules.

    This, then, is my idea — let us tar and feather that UP n dude — he’s a lost cause anyway. The UP-dude, I’ve heard, has a serious reputation for being really rude, uncivilized, disrespectful both to young (GabbyD), old (Abe), white (JoeAm) and female (sparks). [On occasions, he would say. Not all the time, UP n would say.] This to me is a great opportunity for the Filipino blogging community to improve the quality of, well, the blogging community. I say let us all rant on that UP n dude — tar and feather the dude, it is his fault anyway, let him pay the price.

    FilipinoVoices have to take the lead in this. Right now, FilVoices is not helping because if you go to their site, the UP n comments you see are the ones that FilVoices consider ” not rude, not uncivilized”. The instances when UP n was rude and not civilized have been deleted. [Side-comment : personally, I’m curious what cuss words UP n uses? In French, maybe???] If antiPinoy has such postings, then post. The information shared will help with improving the quality of the Filipino blogging community — make things clearer.

    To me, who cares about UP n, he posted the posts, then what happens next happens next. FilVoices has the cases — the old UP n blogcomments. In my opinion, this is best opportunity for FilVoices to show a specific example, the example being the UP n dude who has posted rude and uncivilized blogcomments. FilVoices to put out on the internet the unacceptable comments from UP n . Makes sense to me, what do you think?!

    FilVoices gains — they get to make more clear the instances which make them ban folks or delete comments.
    JoeAm and benK would learn — culture-thing — to see clearer differences between Filipino- and USA-rules of engagement.

    Information makes the world inch forward, that’s what I think. What do you think?

    • BongV says:

      I really don’t give a hoot what FV does.

      To paraphrase JFK – AP is not afraid to entrust the readers with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a blog that is afraid to let its readers judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a blog that is afraid of its readers.

      If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all. ~Noam Chomsky

      Take away the right to say “f*ck” and you take away the right to say “f*ck the government.” ~Lenny Bruce

  26. eminex999 says:

    Will miss the palenke, Will miss the debate full of emotion yet so logically and illogically sound. But as far as the pursuit for knowledge is concern let the BLOG War Wage! if that is what it takes then so be it o.o though kahilo mag switch sites back to back. Also, I’ll miss the ‘process’ of deducing each varying stands and arguments while inducing my on take on things on a single site.

    Kala ko pa naman matanda na ko para hindi subuan >< kailangan ko na pala ulit magchupon parang bata lng o.o sa FV.

    Pro or anti ,Yellow or Red, I guess we Filipinos even in the inter-web are now officially divided.

    If peace does not work,then let war prevail!* though it is not a competition, but I firmly believe it might do so, since nahahati na tlga, even readers are affected by these bickerings…po

    -Silent AP and FV follower since Ignoy declared he was running. but silent no more …

    this is infotainment to the next level!:) what's next?

    "The Filipino’s greatest enemy is himself – the Anti-Pinoy."

    then let us be the greatest enemy of ourselves..and maybe find the greatest us in return…that was how I've always interpreted it.

    AP all the way!

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  28. Karl says:

    BongV,benigz

    I suggest that this site be merged with the UFV.

    call it APUFV, UFVAP or just AP

    by what you tell us, the reason for being of both blog sites are the same.

    • Conyo says:

      I agree.

      Anti-Pinoy, as a name, is BAD BRANDING. It’s not welcoming/inclusive. It also lack the sizzle of GetRealPhilippines, Utak ng Tilapia, or WE NEED HIS DOLLARS!

      See you at Starbucks🙂

    • BongV says:

      Karl:

      UFV is more or less a site – where “banned” and “moderated” comments get to see light of day.

      For example screen captures of Shahani’s comments that were deleted by FV.

      Or my comments being flagged as spam.

      ‘baga… naging sisiw ata mga tao sa FV – napaka balat sibuyas.

      what do they want – they are the only ones to dish but they can’t take when it’s their turn? napaka gulang.. style pinoy na bulok.

  29. Karl says:

    Ok Bong!

    ============

    Conyo,
    Thanks for being cool.

    naalala ko yung isang encounter natin sa FV

    that was a case of ang pikon ay laging talo at nagmumukhang tanga

    • Conyo says:

      Karl,

      I am really so different in real life that people will be surprised when they meet me.

      This Conyo persona of mine is just my way of blowing off steam, like saying JESUS MY ASS, POWTAH!

      See you at Starbucks <—- there is a reason why I say this, really.

  30. UP n grad says:

    It took some effort to read and re-read and doublecheck, but as best I can review the entries, none of my blogcomments into FilipinoVoices have been deleted. I am still banned-from-FV; haven’t been able to post for several days, but as best I can analyze, my UP-n-comments that were there before I got banned remain in FilVoices.

    This is good news!! The “rudeness-and-crudeness”-UP n blogcomment that got me banned is still posted in FilVoices for anyone who may want to double-check. I don’t read any of my comments as rude and crude, so to Lila Shahani who has commented “…Or Up n, who surprised me with his unnecessary rudeness in my impunity blog.” ..you shouldn’t be surprised when I say this — Nope! No apologies from me.

    • benign0 says:

      UPn, don’t worry about it. Anyone who presumes to be a judge on who is rude, crude, or uncivilised is talking out of his/her arse. As you yourself pointed out, these terms are used in FV’s moderation guidelines but as to the mechanics of how these terms are actually going to be applied in the delivery of their moderation “justice” is anyone’s guess.

      So there’s really no point in even being reflective about it whenever someone hurls such accusations at anyone.😉

    • ilda says:

      Hi UPn

      I can understand how you are feeling right now. You have been active with FV for a while now. I just don’t understand why they say you were rude. You always say what’s on your mind yes, but I never read you being rude.

      Give it time. What they are doing is inbreeding. Just to make you feel better, their offspring will look weird🙂

      • UP n grad says:

        What??? FilVoices doesn’t have clarity in their moderation guidelines?

        There’s a joke in here somewhere, right? They can spin round and round with this issue which will be a sight especially now they know the Free Thinkers and other blog groups have been sensitized to observe.

      • UP n grad says:

        😉

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  32. Joe America says:

    Okay, for those of you who believe editorial prerogative is the same as censorship, I would say that you probably view the asylum as best run by the patients. FV is an alternative for those who don’t want gutter dialogue, and what is wrong with giving people of discretion that choice? Or must people always have their face rubbed in someone’s spittle to gain your respect?

    I would also point out that a site that permits thugs to chase contributors away with invective and insult is just censorship in a different suit.

    I am happy to note that my suspicion regarding Karl is correct. He was not banned at FV. I am also hopeful that UP n will find the door open as his views are roundly insightful and constructive. FV editorial decisions like excessive moderation of BongV and apparent banning or moderation of Benign0, I suspect, reflect FV editorial judgment that relentless ragging on Filipinos is a tad overbearing, and not exactly the tone they seek.

    Being a visual and imaginative person, I rather see the Anti-Pinoy crowd as a collection of buzzards, really bright ones, actually, who circle around what looks to them like a carcass, that being the Philippines. They occasionally dip down to peck at an eyeball to see if the body is still twitching. They are outside looking in, so have a perspective different from the fleas inhabiting the potential carcass.

    I’m doing my best to be a responsible flea, which on occasion requires dodging the pecking (edited to strike “peckers”, this editing not being censorship at all, but deference to the fine people here I consider to be friends).

    Joe

    • ilda says:

      Only one thing to say to you Joe, just have a look again at the allegations against Benign0 and his “barkada” . Why hasn’t it been deleted yet? They’ve known Benign0 since the beginning of FV. The administrators there know he is not a paid hack or a lefty. Why didn’t they tell Ms Lila that? Why are they so protective of their own bloggers to the point that they already see the blogger making an error and yet they didn’t even send her an email to inform her about the facts. These are strong allegations Joe that some people in AntiPinoy are just taking lightly.

      BTW, I posted a reply to Lila on FV and it didn’t go through. I tried it the second time and it just said that it is already a duplicate of the one I just tried. I Don’t lie.

      • ilda says:

        My comment for Lila finally went through. Third time lucky. You can read it now on FV.

        Gees. I think we should just give this all a rest. My blog above is just a narrative of what happened to me in the last few days over the net. It’s loaded with facts and opinion. Let’s just live with it!🙂

      • Joe America says:

        Ilda,

        I never said you lied, but you are contributing . . . umm . . . distortions when you raise and wave like a flag the statement that Karl and UP n have been banned. They have not been. FV is working through a transition. The computer has criteria that cause it to flag submissions for review. A link will cause a comment to kick out, for instance. I think you need a little more consideration that they are not trying to be jerks, but trying to attain a discussion site that is different than AP’s “anything goes” formula.

        Why, really, are people here so worked up about it?

        If the rules don’t suit them, they go bananas. The ego and personal likes are what matter.

        Reminds me of the Philippines . . .

        Joe

      • ilda says:

        Mr America

        Ok. So you like FV more than AP. Big deal. It’s a free world. You are most welcome here at AP even if AP is just second fiddle to you but please, don’t accuse me of distorting the truth. Just have a read again of the thread and count how many times UPn said he is still banned from FV. Don’t spin this around to cater to your own wild imagination. I must admit I thought Karl was banned until I realized that he was just quoting UPn. He has already corrected that himself by saying he hasn’t been banned. Just count now how many people here have been banned: Benign0, Filo, The Real Deal and BongV. Do you still think I am making it up?

        Have you become a spokesman now for FV? It seems you are more knowledgeable of their moderation rules by saying “The computer has criteria that cause it to flag submissions for review”. You said this despite the fact that they already released an official statement that they do ban some comments that don’t pass their standards. I myself experienced it when I tried to make a comment for Ms Lila and then Cocoy claimed that there was nothing pending on their moderation/spam folder. He then relaxed their automatic moderation system that’s why I got in later on when I tried it again. That is why I said ‘I DO NOT LIE”. That wasn’t addressed to you actually, it was meant for Cocoy. But unfortunately, it is my word against his. He and I know the truth my dear. I don’t really have to waste my time convincing you.

        You are mistaken to think that I care if they moderate me or not because I happen to have a life outside blogging and it happens to be a beautiful life🙂

        Please read my blog again just in case you have forgotten that it is Noynoy supporters who we are talking about. Majority of FV writers and fans just happen to be pro-Noynoy that is why this debate has continued on for 2 days.

        Tsk, tsk, remember Joe, careful not to let your standards go too far down.

        Cheer up. What doesn’t kill FV can only make them stronger. That is, if they learn from this experience.

      • Joe America says:

        Oh, Ilda,

        Don’t worry so about my happiness. My young son and beautiful wife take care of that. These are just words in search of understanding.

        I think when you use the word “banned” you are distorting things in a gross way. BongV and Benign0 get moderated in such a way that they choose to avoid the gameplaying. They are not banned. Karl and UP n were never banned, but you waved them about as grand insults to human conscience.

        Jet is banned.

        Distortion is a variation from truth.

        Joe

      • The Real Deal says:

        Joe,

        Quit the sugarcoating and sucking up to the FV mods, please. I’ve been banned there too. It’s an IP-address thingy. Anything I post goes straight to oblivion! It doesn’t even reach the “Awaiting moderation” phase.

        Guess why this happened… It’s because I trounced Buencamino and all the other Noynoy hacks. It’s also ’cause I found so many holes in Lila Shahani’s ideas.

        You’re the one distorting the truth when you justify the dictatorial censorship that FV does.

        Can you just call a spade a spade for once and quit the bullshit, huh, Joe?

        It’s irritating.

      • Filo says:

        Joe,

        Could it be that the Pinoy’s general lack of tendency to verify from other sources have actually rubbed off on you, thanks to FV? You don’t know what gets blocked, but argue as if you do. Joe, Joe, Joe.

        You can downplay it all you like, but that doesn’t change the fact that we’ve been banned, blocked, edited to sound like something else, and you’re playing the apologist for FV’s convenience. Woo hoo.

        Do us all a favor and remember these

        (1) It was UPn himself who found himself banned;
        (2) The misunderstanding that Karl was banned has been rectified as per Ilda;
        (3) Distortion is a variation from truth, describes the biased FV censorship practices.

        Thank you for that last gem.

    • Filo says:

      Joe,

      “… for those of you who believe editorial prerogative is the same as censorship, I would say that you probably view the asylum as best run by the patients.”

      Name one of us FV dissenters who’s said editorial prerogative equals censorship please. I don’t see why both the application of editorial prerogative AND censorship can’t be happening at the same time.

      “FV is an alternative for those who don’t want gutter dialogue, and what is wrong with giving people of discretion that choice?”

      “Gutter dialogue” isn’t the only thing they have an aversion to. I believe that has been explained already.

      ——-

      Now, to be clear to everyone who is SILENTLY keeping track of all these discussions regarding censorship at FV, the fact that you don’t see the comments they delete at FV means you’re left to IMAGINE whatever it was that Joe describes as gutter dialogue. And unless we get to save these comments and post them at UFV, you’ll never know whether they were indeed of gutter language because you’ll never see those comments. Not entirely honest of FV and certainly not fair to just call it “editorial prerogative” while conveniently branding some people “rude” and “uncivilized,” wouldn’t you agree? Not honest at all for FV to not inform Lila Shahani about her wrong assumptions.

      Perhaps there ought to be a challenge for FV to publish these “rude” and “uncivilized” comments so that everybody could verify whether said comments were indeed rude and uncivilized, or they were silencing something else entirely.

      • Joe America says:

        Filo,

        You don’t have to imagine very hard what gutter language has been exorcised. Just read this blog thread.

        FV does not brand people. They silently exclude them. The branding is done by the people themselves.

        As for Lila and her wrong assumptions, maybe you need to disabuse yourself of the notion that neither Jesus Christ nor Filo are editor at FV. It is a bunch of Filipinos working hard and earnestly. They can’t get it 100% correct, and they will never be able to duplicate what is in your mind.

        Joe

      • Joe America says:

        erratum: “. . . disabuse yourself of the notion that Jesus Christ or Filo . . .”

        J

      • BongV says:

        Joe:

        Tupac’s gutter language is sheer poetry.

        Bob Marley’s ganja-driven angst is gutter music.

        Language, gutter or not, is a valid expression of the ethos and zeitgeist of the times.

        To deny such makes the FV scene look like an ostrich farm.

      • FV does not brand people? bwahahahahaha

        you’re either a retard or a hypocrite like nick the pr.ick… i’ve had enough of your gutter rhetorics that seems to be morally upright… you’re a chronic backfighter joeam. this AP versus FV thing is getting in your head.

      • Filo says:

        Joe,

        Like the previous comment, there’s no reason why {a} FV branding people and (b) people getting themselves branded by their own behaviour, aren’t both happening at the same time, but it’s only of your opinion that they’re one and the same or indistinct. The problem is that (a) and (b) are rather unequal from different perspectives, though you argue otherwise because you refuse to see this side’s reasons for which this very website was created. How you can’t see that doesn’t prove it isn’t there.

        You’ve always been open to reason but this time you’re skipping entirely that simple challenge posed to FV: put all the comments out in the open and show us whether even half of it all is “gutter language” or just strong dissenting arguments FV loyalists can’t stand seeing. I myself don’t cuss over at FV, so if there ever was an exception 1% of the time then why don’t they show it? They sure won’t be able to explain the 99% that should have made it through, don’t you think?

        You feel strongly about defending what you think you know, but until FV reveals the unaltered comments that they deleted, you’re arguing with us on severely incomplete information. Worse, those who merely read FV are left to just take their word for it without substantiation. I think this one you understand perfectly.

        As for Lila and her wrong assumptions, maybe you need to step back and realize that whoever is the editor at FV, it is common decency for those who know better to correct her where her facts are all bent. And that common decency they so value when talking about their comment policy seems to fly out the window when it comes to getting facts straight, never mind the lack of transparency. Heck, why not – it’s much much easier to have Cocoy appear as if he’s putting his foot down. So yes, I am under no illusion that I am editor at FV. And because neither are you, you don’t really know what (specif. the evidence) you’re fighting for.

        As far as duplicating what I have in mind, they don’t really need to do anything but SUBSTANTIATE the drama by publishing the evidence. But they can’t and they won’t, because that will greatly dent their credibility. And you, Mr. America, might just stand corrected, being the mature person that you seem to be. Oh, pie in the sky.

      • KoKo Korean says:

        BongV,

        You are incorrect.

        It is I, Koko, your Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader, who determines what is the valid expression–period! I know this because I am your Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader.

        Obey me because I know what is good for you. Obey me because I know what is right.

        If you do not obey me, I will have to give you the gift of silence which was exactly what the Romans did to this troublemaker named Jesus.

        Sincerely,
        Koko
        Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader

      • ilda says:

        Mr America
        @Joe

        You are starting to sound like a broken record. I already told you about Karl and how his quote of UPn got mixed up. I already told you that it was UPn himself who said he wasn’t allowed to comment. The Real Deal is now telling you himself that his IP address has been banned. You are the one waving the flag and making me look like I am making things up. People can see through it Joe. I think you are very annoyed that our point is starting to make sense. You are scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

        You even refuse to answer questions like how come the administrators there haven’t deleted the allegations towards Benign0 and his “barkada” as a paid hack and being a lefty? How come the administrators didn’t bother to correct Ms Lila about Benign0? They didn’t help her in that instance man.

        It’s so easy to do a rebuttal for you because I just have to repeat what you haven’t addressed so far.

        You seem to have misplaced your logic today mate.

        Relax and go to Starbucks🙂

      • Joe America says:

        Ilda,

        You must understand that I am reeling from all the love received here on AP. I can’t keep up with all my shortcomings they are coming at me so fast.

        I don’t know about the FV administrators. I don’t cozy up to them. I just believe a site without twits in it is a better forum.

        I think there really is a justifiable reason moderated sites go to moderation. It is real, it is nasty. It is unfortunate. I think if there weren’t so many really extreme idiots, the editors would not worry about BongV and Benign0 at all. But once the editing standards are laid out, it gets messy and obviously offensive to those who are not welcomed without equivocation.

        I don’t mean to ignore your points, and I agree my CD is skipping . . . on to starbucks, eh?

        Joe

      • BongV says:

        Joe:

        I have not been banned, but all my comments go to the Spam folder.

        Comments with my IP also go to the spam folder.

        At the rate the discussion are going do you think Cocoy will just be sitting to watch and approve comments coming from me.

        Now if this idiot called Nick had any brain between his ears, his Big Brother wannabe-ways stay in 1984. I don’t have patience for New Speak.

      • ilda says:

        @Joe
        I understand your loyalty lies elsewhere but you have continued to insist that I am a flag waver despite knowing what’s real. As I told Ms Lila in my response to her, my blog is just a narrative and there is nothing to read between the lines. You were witness to our discussion in Abe’s blog. How can you possibly read more into it other than just an evaluation of how one voter chooses her candidate and how Noynoy supporters get carried away with their twisted logic? It just so happens that FV blocked some of the arguments that the boys wanted to inject into the discussion. In short, the sh*t hit the fan and the rest is history.

        You want us to support FV instead of creating a new site because you think that doing so will just divide the readers. But how can we do that when they block opinions that differ from theirs? I for one cannot stand some of the way writers publish a thousand words that have no substance in it. Pure fantasy. They don’t want to challenge the way people think. They refuse to accept that the citizens of the Philippines are largely to blame for its problems. They single out blaming the government when the people are the ones who voted for them. FV contributes to the lack of progress in the Philippines because they don’t want to discuss what’s wrong with the people. For them, to do so is cynical and unpatriotic.

        AP is an alternative Joe. It’s as simple as that. I am not responsible for all the love going your way because you seemed to have asked for it yourself.

        Yeah, I like Starbucks now. I might hang out there more often coz at least I have a friend there.

      • Joe America says:

        Ilda,

        “You want us to support FV instead of creating a new site”. No, I just want you to respect that the intention of FV is good, not bad. They are good people, not bad, even if their thinking is amiss. If their editorial decisions cause them to fail, they bear that price, as they carry the responsibility. I’m glad AP exists, as it has a dynamic that clearly does not exist at FV, and (shhh, secret) sometimes I enjoy mixing it up . . .

        Joe

      • ilda says:

        @Joe

        FV’s intention is to get rid of evil Gloria and replace her with lesser evil Noynoy.

        Misguided. Pure and simple.

      • Joe America says:

        Ilda,

        I refuse to accept that is official FV policy. Please refer me to the source or I will consider your comment intentionally distortional.

        Nah, I would consider it to be a flat-ass lie for the sake of undermining FV.

        I would accept that a contributor such as Lila might have this goal.

        Joe

      • Filo says:

        Joe,

        Your refusal to believe has no bearing on the truthfulness of Ilda’s statement, nor does your repeated ignorance of the prevailing sentiment at FV make her (actually, our) observations unfounded.

        To be flat-ass clear, nobody here needs you to sign-off on what we say before we say it.

      • ilda says:

        Gosh Joe, It is an opinion; my opinion which happens to be shared by the rest here. It is an opinion very much like your opinion that AP is anti-Noynoy.

        I’ll list down some of the FV bloggers here that are pro-Noynoy. Let’s start with the one who is now responsible for moderating, meaning holding a key position in that site:

        Cocoy
        Abe (who deleted some arguments that were critical of Noynoy)
        Manuel Buencamino
        Patricio Mangubat
        Sparks
        Norman Sison
        Ms Lila Shahani (pro-Noynoy now but says can change her mind later)

        It is so obvious to me that you have made it your mission to annoy me in the last 3 days. Why are you taking this personally? The last I heard, FV is still operating.

        Please don’t take out your beef with Jet on me. You’ve hurled insults after insults towards me and AP but still you are here always welcome. Don’t be surprised when others see through your pretense of being the victim.

        Enjoy the rest of your day.

      • Joe America says:

        There are facts and there are opinions. When the opinions are knowingly counter to the facts, you have distortion. With distortions, it is hard to find harmony. Without harmony, it is hard to build something good.

        Why are you so interested in tearing down rather than building? You have been ranting here about FV, accusing them (wrongly) of banning people, accusing them (wrongly) of having an agenda for Noynoy, accusing them (wrongly) of seeking to oust Gloria. Yout attach the opinons of FV’s contributors to FV as if it were FV’s official position. I don’t understand your motivation, truly.

        Also, in suggesting that I go to FV instead of voice my views here, are you attempting a soft-shoed ban of my comments? You are one of those chicken-shit censor types?

        Joe

      • BongV says:

        Why are you so interested in tearing down rather than building? You have been ranting here about FV, accusing them (wrongly) of banning people

        we can be technical about this – the long and short of it is that – our posts and replies are not appearing on FV – that we might as well be banned.

        this is like a conversation where one country says – there are no trade barriers because there are no high tariffs on imported goods – BUT imposes non-tariff barriers like Vapor Heat Treatment – knowing the country of origin does not have facilities.

        in like manner – unlike B7 where upon landing on the site and upon processing our IP address – we get a YOU ARE BANNED sign – rendering the total site inaccessible (which of course can be accessed with another IP) our comments were flagged as SPAM.

        on both counts – it has the same effect – our replies despite being factual and totally devoid of ad-hominems DO NOT GET TO SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY.

        and now, the list justs getting longer and longer – first it was me. then benign0, then BenK, then Filo, then Chino, then ilda – if that were the case, FV might as well place something on their site that states – we want cutie-patootie posters with flawless medieval english only.

        So tearing FV down? like the Pinoys in da pinas, FV mods and site operators are doing a great job, tearing their own site down.

        One thing for sure, without FV’s stupid moderation system – AP wouldn’t be around!

        FV built AP, as disenchanted and disenfranchised authors and commentors felt FV was becoming an inbred incestuous orgy of celebrating wimpy mediocrity.

        accusing them (wrongly) of having an agenda for Noynoy

        Margallo, Buencamino, Cugtas, Dayao – are out in the open for Noynoy. They blog, write, extol – I bet Margallo would eat noynoy’s sh|t if given the chance.
        The Agenda is to get Noynoy elected. It walks, it talks, it quacks like a duck… waddya know… it is a duck.

        accusing them (wrongly) of seeking to oust Gloria.

        I dunno.. at the rate am reading… Patalsikin si Gloria NOW or… Surge the Gates – how should this be interpreted? they want gloria to stay?

        You attach the opinons of FV’s contributors to FV as if it were FV’s official position. I don’t understand your motivation, truly.

        Let’s be more specific – the FV contributors who determine FV’s official position are Cocoy Dayao and Nick Cugtas – it was Nick who put me on moderation… then it was Benny’s turn.. then BenK…then Filo.. then Chino… WTF????

      • ilda says:

        Since you just repeated again what you have been saying for the last four days, I’ll just paste my rebuttal to you yesterday:

        @Joe

        I understand your loyalty lies elsewhere but you have continued to insist that I am a flag waver despite knowing what’s real. As I told Ms Lila in my response to her, my blog is just a narrative and there is nothing to read between the lines. You were witness to our discussion in Abe’s blog. How can you possibly read more into it other than just an evaluation of how one voter chooses her candidate and how Noynoy supporters get carried away with their twisted logic? It just so happens that FV blocked some of the arguments that the boys wanted to inject into the discussion. In short, the sh*t hit the fan and the rest is history.

        You want us to support FV instead of creating a new site because you think that doing so will just divide the readers. But how can we do that when they block opinions that differ from theirs? I for one cannot stand some of the way writers publish a thousand words that have no substance in it. Pure fantasy. They don’t want to challenge the way people think. They refuse to accept that the citizens of the Philippines are largely to blame for its problems. They single out blaming the government when the people are the ones who voted for them. FV contributes to the lack of progress in the Philippines because they don’t want to discuss what’s wrong with the people. For them, to do so is cynical and unpatriotic.

        AP is an alternative Joe. It’s as simple as that. I am not responsible for all the love going your way because you seemed to have asked for it yourself.

        Yeah, I like Starbucks now. I might hang out there more often coz at least I have a friend there.

        *******

        As to your allegations that I am trying to censor you, you are being a flag waver surely. Don’t forget Joe, I was the one who invited you here because I valued your opinion. I didn’t realize you are a moving target.

        Thanks

      • Joe America says:

        Ilda,

        FV is not the demonic effort you portray. Therein is the sadness to the tale, Filipino tearing down Filipino. Clan warfare, internet style.

        The oddity, the supreme oddity, is that you (and others on AP) preach freedom of expression while allowing FV precious little latitude to be different than you. I don’t think it is overt hypocrisy. More likely, it is just failure to think past your personal feelings, the hurts you feel from perceived slights. Certainly Jet has gone off the deep end personalizing his disagreement.

        So I would just offer the best advice I know to give, a personal opinion. Get over it, and get on with building an intelligent community at AP. Welcome the differences as a richness of Filipino society and stop trying to “get even” or snuff FV. In fostering battle, you are living the old framework of an ill Filipino society that AP conceptually wishes to rebut, the Ampatuan framework. The need to tear down those who, in the insecurity of the moment, are deemed a threat. Thrive on building, not demolishing. LIVE anti-pinoy, don’t just write about it . . .

        And forgive my lecture. We old folks sometimes pontificate to you youngsters . . .its the way we justify our lives . . . but that is a very different topic, indeed . . .

        Joe

      • ilda says:

        @Joe

        Get over what Joe? You’re the one who can’t seem to get over the fact that UPn, The Real Deal and Benign0 acted on their own after their comments were given the flick by FV. You can’t seem to understand how it feels like when a rebuttal that was passionately written not see the light of day. I was lucky as I said in my blog, that my discussion with Lila was over when Abe decided that he has had enough of the comments from them. I didn’t make it up Joe. Benign0 came up with his article on Unmoderated FV after his comments were deleted by Abe. You can even do a search yourself among the sea of comments from Lila confirming that it was deleted together with one of hers.

        You just can’t let it go Joe. Just when I think you get me, you come back and accuse me of distorting the truth, again and again and again.

        You are practically saying that I don’t have a right to make a rebuttal blog about blogs written by esteemed bloggers like Abe who is trying to convince people that Noynoy is the only one who can replace Gloria.

        As Benign0 said:

        If personalities come out of the digital woodwork and come across to me as embodiments of these cultural defects as well and ON TOP OF THAT continually emphasise certain things about themselves that have traditionally made ordinary Pinoy schmoes bow down to them in blind deference (i.e. they are credentialists, speculators on personal circumstances, and/or expect deference to themselves simply because they are “popular”, more “educated”, have “pedigrees”, etc.) I lay them on my dissection table, cut them apart, and hang the cancers I pull out of them on blogs like UnmoderatedFilipinoVoices.com and (if the grade of the article is a bit more scholarly) on AntiPinoy and GRP.net for all to see with BETTER CLARITY.

        I still don’t get you Joe. As I told you, my blog is a plain narrative and I believe that people should know the truth about Noynoy and his supporters. Please read my blog again with the comments and see if what you are saying makes any sense.

        Thank you again.

      • BongV says:

        The oddity, the supreme oddity, is that you (and others on AP) preach freedom of expression while allowing FV precious little latitude to be different than you. I don’t think it is overt hypocrisy. More likely, it is just failure to think past your personal feelings, the hurts you feel from perceived slights. Certainly Jet has gone off the deep end personalizing his disagreement.

        Joe:

        #1 – Latitude is a strawman argument. Latitude is a general term – be more specific – you can have latitude in article content, latitude in comment policy, latitude in user registration policy, latitude in a whole lot of things.

        The crux of the matter is moderation of comments – I don’t like it, “they” do.

        # 2 – If they want to moderate comments – that’s fine, it’s really none of my or AP’s effin businesswhat they do with their comments.

        #3 – everyone has latitude. if you describe the latitude, “they” have the latitude of moderating comments while AP has the latitude of not moderating comments. we filter cuss words – that’s it.

        #4 – the exact coordinates of FV within this latitude ordinal lies towards censorship while AP lies towards freedom from prior restraint. I don’t have a problem with that.

        #What’s the big deal? It’s not like I am within FV and bitching . They already walled us out. Pati ba naman dito dumadating yung eng eng nila? PAk Dat syet! Then if we show up, they wouldn’t let us speak – sila lang makikinig? ‘tang’na nila. Ano ba talaga Kuya Eddie?😀

        #5 – you rise or sink on the merit of the soundness of your reply – not through moderation or a cyber nanny

      • ilda says:

        @Joe

        Everyone has moved on except you. Isn’t it obvious to you that the rest of FV and AP have moved on? You are highlighting your own stubbornness.

        You can stop it now before it escalates again because I won’t ever agree with your suggestions that I cannot exercise my freedom of speech.

        Think about what you said here Joe and move on:

        More likely, it is just failure to think past your personal feelings, the hurts you feel from perceived slights.

        “Certainly JOE has gone off the deep end personalizing his disagreement”

        Good day!

  33. Phil Manila says:

    Some unsolicited word of advice for yeah, Anti-Pinoy Dudes:

    Brods, it takes two to tango.

    Many people have observed (you, most vocally) myself included, that Filipino Voices is somewhat painted Yellow.

    But please look at the facade of this site. It is splashed with that color, but clearly, unabashedly, Anti-Yellow. Now you wonder why some of you are moderated/kicked out? Can’t blame some people if they perceive a siege: “Enemy at the Gates” mentality. But I still believe that Nick still calls it fair.

    That FV and AP have assumed an irreconcilable dichotomy, I don’t know. Para bang matter and anti-matter.

    Now, if you Dudes write something about Gordon and Gibo, I might hang out in this neighborhood more often.🙂

    • ilda says:

      Hi Phil

      Just in case you missed this part of my blog:

      ….. as far as I’m concerned, I’m free to choose the candidate I want to scrutinise, especially since the candidate I choose to scrutinise is likely to be the next president of the Republic of the Philippines. Better to scrutinise him now than after the election is over — a concept that most Filipinos are not familiar with…

      And that my friend is why I choose to write about Noynoy. Just in case you didn’t know, good or bad publicity is still publicity. The LP should actually thank us for all this exposure. I remember Barack Obama just before the election in 2008 was always on the cover of Time magazine. It’s the same thing dude. Don’t buy into the allegations of the people wearing yellow that we are so anti-Noynoy because we’re not. I personally just want them to lift his game because I think he is going to win anyway.

      ciao

      • KoKo Korean says:

        Ilda,

        I, your Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader, need a girlfriend.

        But I don’t how to pick up girls.

        I do not understand.

        They are all supposed to obey me. So when I tell them it is their duty to love me, they jump of f the building or swallow poison?

        What should I do? Should I talk more about “technology” to sound more “sexy”?

        I am supposed to know all these things but my father, the former Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader, edited this information to “protect” me. So now I need to “un-edit” this information so that I can have a girlfriend. If I, your Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader, am happy, the whole country will be happy.

        Sincerely,
        Koko
        Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader

      • Joe America says:

        Koko,

        You a funny dude, man.
        Just offer to take them to the mall.

        Joe

    • Chino says:

      You’re right, Phil. AP has a tad lot of sights centered on the Yellow. Thing is, it was juicily tempting for the guys because the greatest mythology is on Noynoy. Actually, when you look at the candidates, Villar’s, Gibo’s and Erap’s political baggage are out in the open. Noynoy’s issue is Hacienda Luisita, but it seems to be suppressed to give way to his “perfect solution” image to the bayan. He is still seen as the cleanest angel of all, but he certainly isn’t the best. His campaign has depended on a lot of fallacies and misconceptions – ex. his parents were great, so he will be great too. AP tries to deflate the mythology and make people think critically. Of course, the sarcastic approach of some here may have annoyed some people out there… but that’s their style.

      Also, UnT has a Villar poster. Probably more on others will come.

      I tried listing the political baggage:

      Villar – C5, et al.
      Gibo – GMA
      Erap – Dacer-Corbito, Jose Velarde
      Noynoy – Hacienda Luisita
      Villanueva – religion, out of his league?
      Binay – Usual mayor anomalies?
      Perlas, Gordon, Delos Reyes – can’t think of any for these

  34. benign0 says:

    Being a visual and imaginative person, I rather see the Anti-Pinoy crowd as a collection of buzzards, really bright ones, actually, who circle around what looks to them like a carcass, that being the Philippines. They occasionally dip down to peck at an eyeball to see if the body is still twitching. They are outside looking in, so have a perspective different from the fleas inhabiting the potential carcass.

    You know what Mr Joe America? I think you are spot on. Just like the barbarians that once circled and nibbled at the frontiers of the Roman empire, we so do now at the edifice that is FilipinoVoices.com, just as I and many here have torn down (or at least put a check on) the drivel (ocho-ocho “revolutions”, institutionalised people power, blind anti-incumbentism, and other moronic memes that proliferate in intellectually bankrupt societies) that was once served with impunity by traditional demagogues of the Filipino blogosphere — first the PCIJ, then MLQ3, Abe Margallo, Ellen Tordesillas, and now some in FilipinoVoices.com.

    In fact, as I and a few others now observe, it seems that the fundamental difference between AP and FV is that whereas those who find comfort in the big love-in that is FV grew as bloggers/commentators in, well, love-in environments where there was always an atmosphere of mutual back-patting and high-five rah-rahs. In contrast, AP writers have always been outsiders. Many of us slugged it out as lone or minority voices in hostile forests like PinoyExchange.com (PEx) (check out this c.2001 discussion thread where it ALL started) and therefore we cut our teeth in those environments, environments where the norm is a close critical scrutiny, suspicion and even open hostility directed to what were then (and still largely now) ideas that were unpopular, ugly, and unpalatable to the mind of the average Pinoy schmoe.

    Ilda by the way responded to Lila Shahani’s comment which has parts that addresses her (Ilda) many times. But because, surprise surprise, her comment containing her response languishes in never-to-be-seen-again moderation there, her only option was to post it on UnmoderatedFilipinoVoices.com. There, she made the accurate observation that “One thing I know about [benign0] is he doesn’t write anything that he cannot defend”.

    You know why? That is because a single slip in judgment or oversight as a person who routinely begs to differ in PEx days often spells the difference between on-going credibility or avatar obliviion.

    Look at Shahani for example who now backtracks on her original position on voting for the “lesser evil” to “unite” the opposition chances against the incumbent and her alleged lackeys — a position of hers that I immortalised here where I quote her thus:

    Why should we help the administration enemy (divided into Villar and Teodoro) by dividing our own house into Aquino-Erap-Perlas-Villanueva-Gordon? Unless we now consider all of these candidates to be our enemies? There is no reason why they can’t all work together in the next administration, the way Barack did with Hillary to his considerable advantage. At this point, it’s about voting for the lesser evil.

    Obviously some people are not accustomed to carefully thinking things through before hitting the keyboard — and rather than pull it together and re-group or re-evaluate, they instead dismiss the otherwise expected onslaught of challenges to such flawed positions as “rude” and “uncivilised” attacks.

    Think again, Mr America. You yourself are a chronic backtracker. The only difference is that you are articulate enough and reflective enough to rectify and refine your positions. Kudos to you for that. Your pals in FV have much to learn from you.

    • Joe America says:

      Benign0

      “chronic backtracker”

      Beautiful.

      Joe

      • KoKo Korean says:

        Joe Anti-Christ,

        In your evil country you have this fantasy you call “freedom of speech.”

        But in my country, the greatest country in planet, we have perfected the system of “editing” all the ideas of the people, for the good of the people.

        I, the Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader, do this because I LOVE MY PEOPLE and I know what is best for my people.

        Sincerely,
        Koko
        Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader

      • Joe America says:

        Heil KoKo

        Joe

      • I’m sure that was a typo error… it should have been CHRONIC BACKFIGHTER.

  35. UP n grad says:

    Glad that one of your last posts into FilipinoVoices got past their moderators.

    This one of mine (3rd attempt) still rejected. Someone can explain to me if it is rude or crude.

    —————————————————————————-
    (3rd attempt) The following sentence won’t mean much to the FilpnoVoices folks who only care about who is the better candidate. This blog comment is about vote-counts and winning. The sentence – “NoyNoy is vulnerable, quite vulnerable.”

    NoyNoy’s risk is with the masa — class-D and class-E. Thus, to me, NoyNoy’s risk is coming from Erap. I don’t have any source for this one, but I am guessing that 8% to 12% of that NoyNoy 40% is from class-D/E. Maybe higher if Pinas classes-D/E are super-emo. To me, that support is shallow. The sentiment is for Cory. Evidence — no one was even thinking of a presidentiable-NoyNoy until 3 days after Cory died. Since the support is from Cory’s death, then when the masa during coming weeks shifts to thinking politics/economics away from pakikiramay, pressure is put onto that 40% number. Will the classes-D/E begin to wonder about NoyNoy as elitista —” …a big chunk of Noynoy’s supporters are in the business sector”, sparks noted. When the masa hear that line as they get courted again by Erap-para-sa-mahirap, NoyNoy survey-40% is at high risk. Maybe NoyNoy can hang onto the urban class-E if it were true that …The Aquino platform is strong in the support for urban land reform. Villar has a claim to urban-poor, too — this local-boy-from-Tondo. For the rural-masa where NoyNoy has said little, sparks did note about the risk to NoyNoy — Hacienda Luisita and “Erap-para-sa-mahirap”.

    And then, there is this — NoyNoy folks should worry that even the middle-class does not belong to Noy. The reason is Villar. While C5 is an albatross, isn’t Villar the only one with a special claim to the OFW-sector? It may be unclear what Villar has done for them and it may be unclear what Villar will do special for them, but Villar remains the presidentiable who has a claim to the OFW sector.

    OFW’s — 8 million strong, and you have to double that to 16 million (practically all voting age) once you add spouses and adult dependents left in Pilipinas. Villar. OFW’s. The question — What has NoyNoy done? — obviously also resonates into “What has Noy done for OFW’s?”

    It doesn’t matter NoyNoy as better candidate if NoyNoy doesn’t win Malacanang, does it?

    Why didn’t NoyNoy listen to benign0 from months ago when benign0 kept heckling — Where’s the beef? What do you offer, NoyNoy? Where’s your platform???? Maybe NoyNoy did not give a platform, it would have helped had NoyNoy gave an answer to the masa asking “What’s in it for me?” How do you help me? Wasn’t that the question from the woman NoyNoy mentioned in his speech to Makati Business Club?

    They have to fire quickly whoever has convinced the NoyNoy campaign to wait for the official opening of campaign period before showing what NoyNoy promises to do for the OFW’s different from GMA and different from Villar. The Villar team should continue pounding the message into the OFW sector — “Villar is the one, NoyNoy hasn’t even been thinking of OFW’s; Villar is the one who has always been thinking of how to help the OFW’s” while Erap continues to romance the masa with his “Erap-para-sa-mahirap” serenade (and Gibo courts the machinery — the candidates for local offices — with road-funds / infrastructure assistance with his “…will continue GMA economic programs” message).

    NoyNoy, favored by the elite, may be leading in surveys of 4 weeks ago, but it wouldn’t surprise me if NoyNoy does not get Malacanang. This is my opinion. Maybe come June2010, the NoyNoyistas do wake up to see that their age has come!!! But they are not helping their cause any if they continue hoity-toity sniping at those whose support NoyNoy needs.

  36. UP n grad says:

    I’m still blocked at FilipinoVoices . Being blocked/moderated/under review means
    one can’t respond as they send comments your way.

    So : This is for nashman: to nashman: over 16% for NoyNoy when one uses latest SWS numbers. 9-10% for Villar.

    • KoKo Korean says:

      UPnGrad,

      My dear subject, it is for your own good that your message be “Edited” or “Refined” before it reaches the people.

      I, your Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader, shall determine if your message meets our “Standards”, which is really “My Standards”. Why you ask? Because I am your Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader.

      I know what is best for the people. I know this because my father, the previous Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader “Edited” all the ideas of the people and discovered this truth.

      Sincerely,
      Koko
      Benevolent, All Wise, and Supreme Leader

      • UP n grad says:

        Allwise O KoKorean… I am speechless.😯 Need latte at😛 Starbucks……….

      • Joe America says:

        koko,

        No, the Leader just owns the site and therefore is responsible for all that it becomes, good or bad, so why capitulate to the ego-bound, dirt-mouthed masses.

        Joe

      • when the retard keeps on trolling…

        you and your kiss-ass way of thinking. FV has allowed posts of these “foul-mouthed” masses before the Ignoy phenomenon. Nick the Pr.ick and Cocoy the Loverboy started “sanitizing” when they’ve found out that not all ANTI-GLORIA are PRO-IGNOY…

        don’t justify HYPOCRISY!!! It’s not doing you any good.

      • BongV says:

        even ego-bound dirty-mouthed twits have freedom of expression under the US and the Philippine constitution.

        while, FV is a private entity and is not covered by freedom of expression in its own domain – it sure shows a slant of labeling B0 as elitist while acting preferentially for the FV love-in orgiasts – cmon Joe, you have been talking New Speak all along.

      • Observer says:

        For an American, I am surprised that Joe could be so naive.

        I found it funny at first. But I now find it so pathetic that one can be oblivious to the fact that he has lost all credibility and yet he continues to persist believing that people here still actually listen to his nonsense. You need a serious reality check Joe.

      • Joe America says:

        Observer,

        What is the issue? I got the name-calling points: naive, pathetic, oblivious, no-credibility, nonsense, need reality check – which is pretty good for only four lines.

        But what is the issue, man?

        If you want names, I can do more in fewer lines, you useless, bigoted, jerk-nosed, arrogant, piss-ant booger brained twit.

        What’s the fkucing issue?

        Joe

  37. Joe America says:

    One accusation against FV made here that gave me pause is the unequal application of editorial standards. An example: Manuelbuencamino is permitted a personal slap at someone whereas if someone else said the same thing, his comment would be deleted. I agree that indeed happens.

    I digress, to make a point. I once counseled my daughter who played high school basketball: “You know KB, make sure your first block is clean so that the referees understand what you are capable of. If your first attempt is a foul, you will get no consideration the rest of the game.” By the time she was a senior, she could be full-out aggressive because the referees knew her and respected her game. She became the league’s all-time top shot-blocker, and maybe 10% of her blocks were outright hacks that were not called as fouls. The 10% helped win close games.

    If you’ve played sports, you understand the disadvantage that comes from challenging a referee’s eyesight. Smile at the ref, show respect for the ref, and you can get away with more.

    I suspect the same approach works on blog sites that edit. Help build the site and you will eventually have a greater range to work with than a newbie or a recalcitrant hard-head who is intent mainly upon showing off or exercising personal domination over people.

    Or, alternatively, come to AP and dine with fellow creatures, like of mind . . .

    Joe

    • Chino says:

      Your advice is good on clean blocks. Fouls certainly are fouls. But still:

      “Smile at the ref, show respect for the ref, and you can get away with more.” = Ass-kissing a biased ref

      I believe that the ref who responds to a player based on their “kindness” is a biased ref. He should be kicked out as a ref. We’re not telling the ref how to do his job. It’s just the simple, universal ethical principle of being fair and impartial.

      But you’re right still. In AP, I’m with the right company.😉 FV is now in the vulture’s care.

      • Joe America says:

        Chino,

        Further digression on this subject of trying to manipulate the referees. I think the notion that a sports contest is a matter of pure athletic competition is inaccurate. If it were, all games would be played at a neutral court equidistant from the home towns of the respective teams. The home crowd advantage, thousands braying in the ears of the refs on every questionable call, is real. Coaches working the refs is an acceptable tactic in the coaching community. Players giving refs stare-downs to intimidate them is common. If competition were pure, those air-filled bats rattling like a thousand giant’s farts under the free-throw basket, to try to make the shooter miss, would not be allowed.

        These shenanigans occur because competition is indeed a battle, not just between teams, but between an individual’s athletic discipline and his penchant for human error. The drama of a referee’s fallibility is often what makes competition compelling. People use assorted machinations and manipulations to try to leverage human error, whether within players or within referees, for competitive gain.

        The supremely talented athlete or referee will rise above all distractions and manipulations. Therein lies the real triumph, one of commitment and discipline over normal human fallibility . . . the outcome of the game is less important . . .

        Joe

      • BongV says:

        Joe if the outcome of the game is less important why keep score?

      • BongV says:

        Further digression on this subject of trying to manipulate the referees. I think the notion that a sports contest is a matter of pure athletic competition is inaccurate. If it were, all games would be played at a neutral court equidistant from the home towns of the respective teams. The home crowd advantage, thousands braying in the ears of the refs on every questionable call, is real. Coaches working the refs is an acceptable tactic in the coaching community. Players giving refs stare-downs to intimidate them is common. If competition were pure, those air-filled bats rattling like a thousand giant�s farts under the free-throw basket, to try to make the shooter miss, would not be allowed. These shenanigans occur because competition is indeed a battle, not just between teams, but between an individual�s athletic discipline and his penchant for human error. The drama of a referee�s fallibility is often what makes competition compelling. People use assorted machinations and manipulations to try to leverage human error, whether within players or within referees, for competitive gain. The supremely talented athlete or referee will rise above all distractions and manipulations. Therein lies the real triumph, one of commitment and discipline over normal human fallibility . . . the outcome of the game is less important . . .

        Masterfully hewn and crafted Joe. In my case – it was to keep on whining that I was being moderated and my posts being marked as spam… or that I reach out to benign0, benK. we felt there was no point in bitching about it within FV – it wound up being moderated, deleted, flagged as spam even. to rise above surfboarding someone created snowboarding. when they asked for debate, they got it – then suddenly this bull crap about civility? If FV were to run the FCC then the genius of George Carlin will have been lost to eternitydo you remember the seven words you can never say on TV standup? where were you when this was aired? httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34cBchox5TY and this – httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzQkkjXgqoQ.Or this, from Dave Chapelle – httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j55mozVwDM – or this classic from Ron White – you can’t fix stupid – httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gxKStPXyn8 – or something edgier – Carlos Mencia – httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esKwU3BrUfM … and a..

        tada… a kabayan – Edwin San Juan – he’s a riot – will FV censure such language because it is “rude”? httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4LYYpdAWUwUnfortunately, – cmon dude.. have they become the “civility” muttawa now? .. but.. the f*ck i care… am over it.. but since this topic was brought up might as well spill it out to set the records straight.

      • Joe America says:

        Bong,

        Appreciate the humor. You’ve got a collection of my favorites, especially Carlin. You know, I don’t remember the seven words, but I remember him reading the fully developed list of hundreds . . . it was beautiful.

        I don’t blame you for taking your act on a different road, given heavy-handed editing. And I hope AP becomes a deeper and richer contribution to Philippine progressiveness. It need not chop off another needed voice to get there. Sectarian strife is not needed. Deconstructing the old ways is.

        Joe

    • Humble Servant of Christ says:

      Brother Joe,

      Cocoy has declared war. He says we must all pick a side. Those who remain neutral shall be called cowards. The elections are still months away brother. Why am I being forced to pick a side now?

      Look into your heart brother and reflect upon the teachings of Christ. This Cocoy person strays much from the teachings of Christ. Are we supposed to trust his word that all data erased was justifiably done so? How can we verify this if we are not allowed to see it?

      Do not place too much trust on someone who speaks of war and forcing people to pick sides. These are not the teachings of Christ.

      I shall make my choice when I am ready.

      God bless you.

      • BenK says:

        Good for you.

        Our point all along has been that people should make their choices based on the performance and plans of the candidates, the best indicators of their qualification for and likely performance in the presidential job. That is a rational position, which is relatively easy (for us) to back up with rational argument and volumes of evidence. Some people are missing the point of our criticism of Aquino, either willfully or through being dense: It is our opinion — one which is entirely a matter of individual discernment, we didn’t discuss this, but just coincidentally agree — that his performance and plans are wanting and do not qualify him for the presidency, and furthermore the qualities that are offered instead by his supporters are irrelevant, overstated, patently false, or some combination of all three. Having made that assertion, and made it public, we are willing to defend it as best we can against dissenting points of view.

        That’s all there is to that. Support of a different candidate is neither stated nor implied. Some of us have made a firm choice, others have not — that is also a matter of individual discernment — but if we decide to make those choice public, we would do so from the same basic principle: publication invites comment and criticism.

        If it is arrogant to expect everyone else to abide by the same principle, so be it. It’s what fairness demands.

    • Filo says:

      “I suspect the same approach works on blog sites that edit. Help build the site and you will eventually have a greater range to work with than a newbie or a recalcitrant hard-head who is intent mainly upon showing off or exercising personal domination over people.”

      Makes sense, except that newbies and recalcitrant hardheads aren’t the only people who get censored there at FV.

      And Chino beat me to it, but if that is the kind of ref you like, Joe, that says more about you than you realize.

      • Joe America says:

        Chino and Filo,

        There is a reason coaches “work the refs”. That aside, did you get my main point that you can build equity on an edited site, and thereby gain more leeway to comment? That the editor takes into consideration the whole of your product, and a slapshot will not get you moderated or banned? I was trying to be constructive there, and rather feel the conversation went sideways.

        Joe

      • Filo says:

        Yes, I did get your main point, Joe. I also implied that I don’t play with much regard for how much slack the metaphorical ref would cut me as far as online debating is concerned. I do follow the rules, which is why I do argue with you on this.

      • Joe America says:

        Filo,

        Got it, thanks.

        Joe

      • Chino says:

        I did get it too, Joe, I do avoid slapshots, and am trying to keep that leeway to comment. It’s mainly because I have my own style, after all. I still believe that there’s no need for an “editor” over there, and they may even charge too high a price for “equity”. But anyway, that’s that. AP is here. Once anyone wants to shut this down, or even UFV and UnT, that’s First Amendment violations in American terms (but we do have our equivalent Bill of Rights article). Yes, I come to AP and dine with those sound of mind and reason. Keep on visiting, Joe.😉

      • Joe America says:

        Chino,

        I went back through the comments in response to my comments. You were strictly issues based, along with Conyo, BongV, Chino, Benign0, and Filo. Those mainly intent on Joe Am’s character were Jet, Real Deal, and Observer. Others were mostly issues based, with maybe a personal tweak that I didn’t mind. Thanks for the invite.

        Joe

    • BenK says:

      And I got another piece of advice once from a football coach in high school, which my Dad also related to me once: at the beginning of the game, jump across the line and bash the everloving-shit out of the guy across from you. Sure, you’ll get a penalty, but 5 yards or even 15 early in the game is no big deal, and for the rest of the contest if you even so much as twitch, the guy on the other side is going to flinch, maybe jump offside himself, and otherwise be jumpy and make mistakes.

      That way, you don’t have to worry about a less-than-fair ref to help you establish dominance over your opponent.

      • Joe America says:

        Point well made.

        Joe

      • UP n grad says:

        JoeAm: I still cannot get any posts into FilVoices. Go to the latest sparks post and you’ll notice a couple of comments that seems to invite a response from me/UP n grad. I tried to respond — 5 or 6 or 7 times, No-can-do which is why I posted here the 16%-answer for nashman (before I saw another way to get the answer to nashman).

        There is a joke here somewhere — : mrgreen: 16%??? Is that a joke or is that rude?

      • Joe America says:

        UP n,

        And I think FV editors are idiots if they don’t accept your commentary without moderation or edit. You have earned the right to that consideration. I’m hoping it is a technical glitch. If not, I’ll catch your thinking here at AP. I rather sense there is growing depth here, even if one must wade through occasional sheiss to find it.

        Joe

    • BongV says:

      Joe:

      Having captained the Ateneo (Davao) men’s volleyball team in the UAAP Nationals ’88 – to clinch the bronze – UST-gold; SWU-silver; bronze-Ateneo.

      This enough I know, while playing at the local circuit to the regional circuit, and finally the national – playoffs. Skewed rules and skewed refs defeat the purpose of the game – to build sportsmanship and respect for fair play.

      If you have a preference it was a preference for fair play – not whether you had the flashiest uniform or you had the best accent while speaking at court.

      You can intimidate, harass, demolish, defend by executing your plays with deftness and strategy, spot the opening, steer your teammates toward the opponent and crush the opponent. They were opponents in the game – they were not our blood enemies. We heckled the hell out of each other – and so did the crowd – it was FUN!

      It was also lots of pressure involving quick tactics, scouting the opposing team. Everyone on court know the rules – and the rules were very specific and left no room for interpretation.

      The opposing team whose nerves weren’t up to the task were annihilated! We, too had our turn at annihilation – you can’t win em all – and that’s fine – that’s part of the game. But, while you are in the game, give it your best shot, don’t settle for anything less.

      If the games were skewed by a ref with boo-boos, the ref was relegated to the sidelines and sent to a seminar. In the case of FV, the skewness even gets institutionalized – talagang.. tilapia… ehe Pinoy.. ehe.. whatever

  38. Joe America says:

    One lesson I got from the, ummmm, passionate responses to my remarks supporting FV editorial moderation as a defensible policy is awareness that highly sensitive “onion skin” reactions are not limited solely to occasions where foreigners criticize Filipinos, but exist as well when Filipino institutions, such as FV, criticize Filipinos by excluding them from the dialogue. And from that, I deduce that “onion skin” sensitivity is probably not such a peculiar reaction after all, and is probably normal around the world when cherished beliefs are attacked. The attack may be on one’s culture, or the words that issue forth from one’s brain on a blog site, or a political allegiance. The natural response when something highly valued at a personal level is “put down” is to strike back.

    So, ergo, from getting beat upon the head, boxed in the ears, kicked in the ass, and in other ways pounded to a pulp, I conclude that Filipinos are merely . . .
    normal.

    Have a great day.

    Joe

  39. Joe America says:

    BongV,

    I’m not complaining. I’m saying I was wrong before, in believing Filipinos are overly sensitive. I think it is natural for Jet and Real Deal to feel bent out of shape for being shut off from their way of expression. That’s all. I don’t seek to shut anyone up. I do prefer to exchange ideas based on challenge to the issue, not the character. Unless the character is the issue.

    Normally it is not.

    Certainly, for arguing for a blog site, whether FV or anyone else to have right to set editorial policies, it is an issue that can be debated without referring to me as an ass kisser, and all the other untoward descriptions that I feel are incorrect, fundamentally.

    You say slander is free speech?

    Joe

    • BongV says:

      Yes it is free speech.

      He is also free to face the repercussions of his speech under due process of law.

      It works out.

      • Joe America says:

        I agree.

        Though the slanderer has the peculiar advantage of being able to play the free speech card, create the damage, then wiggle off with a good attorney or expectation that no case will be filed.

        And a web site will rise and fall on its merits.

        Even a site full of chicken shit slanderers can thrive in today’s world where truth or kindness toward others are not held up as anything special.

        Yeah, yeah, I am an ass kissing crybaby for thinking that way . . .

        Joe

      • BongV says:

        joe – whether a “damage” was created – is something that the due process of law will decide. innocent until proven guilty.
        you are turning Filipino Joe…🙂

        it’s not like people don’t know whether one is talking BS or using the cuss as a rhetorical device for emphasis.

      • BongV says:

        Joe.. That’s a level playing field.

        One can be a crybaby. Or, one can face the issue head-on -and be a man… – am saying “be a man in the tenor of russell peters” – httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qtrAMK7_Qk
        🙂

    • the argument is going nowhere you retard

      i’ve opted not to reply on your other rants that has reference to moi because its basically saying the same shi.t. you just don’t know when to quit do you? i’m beginning to think that retirement has some correlation to retardation. your watching American idol is not doing you any good either. you just keep on dreaming that you are Simon Cowel… bwahahaha…

      • Joe America says:

        Jet,

        You are the lowest scum of mankind, the cretin who must tear down others to build himself up. It is a form of psychological derangement, actually, to prop one’s self-esteem up on the bodies of those slayed. It is an Ampatuan personality, using words rather than guns, and I suspect, for you, it is only because guns are not available to you in this forum.

        You are the kind of macho dickhead who seeks to emasculate others with terms like crybaby or ass kisser, as if that would somehow make you more the man. Alas, it makes you nothing more than the baby, slamming his pinlike dickhead against the wall demanding attention and whining for huggies from mama.

        I’ve listened to your insults for a week now and have returned again and again to what I perceive to be the issue. But retard I am called today. Yesterday ass kisser. Before that so many slurs I can’t recall them. If this is what being an AP contributor is all about, this is the standard to which you and your colleagues aspire and admire, then, please do allow me to fit right in. I shall do my best to earn your respect.

        This notion that there is a higher plane of human interaction, one that aspires toward respect and understanding of differences and a compassion for the knowing that we all have our weak moments or erroneous conclusions, is, for my AP writings, hereby declared to be just poppycock karabao manure for the weak-minded. No, I shall instead brook no compromise, grant no consideration, seek no reason. To run crosswise to my intellectual or emotional grain justifies unrestrained attack. Accuracy? Irrelevant. Understanding? Irrelevant. Hurt? Irrelevant. Character defamation is prized over compliment, name-calling over courtesy, insult over understanding.

        You are a sheisshead of the first order. I would no more think of having a cup of coffee or beer with you than I would with a smelly, lice infested rodent from the sewers of Manila’s dankest quarter. Your brain lacks connection with things that matter to me. Your thoughts resemble turds squeezed out your ever-flatulent ass of a mouth, brown and stinking and too rot-infested with disease to even serve the purpose of fertilizer.

        You give the name Filipino a very bad scent.

        Joe

        BongV,

        Rhetorically speaking, of course. Literary license. Just playing around. All in good fun. Cheerio! bwahahaha

        J

      • a retard does what a retard does….bwahahaha…

        now this proves that there is a significant correlation between retirement and retardation.

        repeat after me retard…

        I AM NOT SIMON COWEL

        again

        I AM NOT SIMON COWEL

        …and the retard troll continues…

      • Joe America says:

        And you, jet, are the real prick around here, a small one, actually, barely noticeable on the torso of human dignity. You stand for the worst of human values. You are a gnat on an elephant’s behind, stuck in dung that covers your eyes, ears and mouth, and all you can do is spit shit. The computer will censor that, but it rhymes. It is what you are built of, what you deal in, what you dine on.

        Joe

  40. benign0 says:

    Mr Joe America, in case you haven’t noticed yet, there are formidable edifices of dysfunctional Pinoy belief systems that need tearing down.

    I can’t speak for the rest of the AP writers but me personally:

    (1) I make no apologies about my personal goal to DESTROY, UNDERMINE, and CRUSH outdated, useless, and even destructive hare-brained Filipino traditions, belief systems, and cultural baggage; furthermore,

    (2) If personalities come out of the digital woodwork and come across to me as embodiments of these cultural defects as well and ON TOP OF THAT continually emphasise certain things about themselves that have traditionally made ordinary Pinoy schmoes bow down to them in blind deference (i.e. they are credentialists, speculators on personal circumstances, and/or expect deference to themselves simply because they are “popular”, more “educated”, have “pedigrees”, etc.) I lay them on my dissection table, cut them apart, and hang the cancers I pull out of them on blogs like UnmoderatedFilipinoVoices.com and (if the grade of the article is a bit more scholarly) on AntiPinoy and GRP.net for all to see with BETTER CLARITY.

    (3) For 10 years, I’ve not only expected but ENCOURAGED and even ACTIVELY ELLICITED the same level of scrutiny to be applied to the work I present to the public over the public forums and blogs I participate in and contribute to. I’ve been called an “OFW”, a “racist”, a “mailroom clerk”, a “paid hack”, and a “mental patient” in various guises. But here’s the rub: none of them stuck. In fact, I neither confirm nor deny any of these, because they remain irrelevant and inconsequential to my objectives as “benign0”. Indeed, some bozos are still in the middle of speculating on my true gender! Poor small minds nga naman talaga.

    As for you, you merely validate the observation of the eminent columnist Jaime Licauco who wrote waaaay back in 2001 in an Inquirer article (which I immortalise in my brilliant article Trust: The Key to Combatting Corruption) :

    A nation whose policies and rules are based on the assumption that everybody is a cheat and liar unless proven otherwise cannot long endure. Take a close look at our bureaucracy and its rules. It is burdened by elaborate and often unnecessary checks and balances so that nothing ever gets done in the process.

    So to be honest, I don’t blame you for being so quick to label people as liars. Apparently the society that lives off pensions of people like you has finally RUBBED OFF ON YOU. You are in the unfortunate circumstance of living in a society where taking one’s word ONCE and AT FACE VALUE has never EVER been a strong tradition. It is a society where everyone is presumed to be a liar FIRST and where honesty, integrity, and consistency (which I bolden here just for you Mr Joe America) are such rare gems as to make newspaper headlines whenever a Pinoy individual makes a gesture or demonstration of these scarce virtues in a way that even remotely approaches the way they are practiced ROUTINELY in truly progressive societies.

    So, dude, take my word for it (though that is entirely up to you and your mind now infested with dysfunctional Pinoy thinking):

    I, “benign0”, an FV contributor who’s published no less than 210 articles there in the span of eighteen months spanning the Apr 23, 2008 thru Oct 16, 2009 (averaging almost three full articles PER WEEK over that period) am banned from commenting on FV.

    Deal with it gramps and instead of dwelling on who’s tearing down what (a fact of life in a civlisation shaped by war IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER) and enjoy the UNPRECEDENTED intellectual richness of this fine collective blog — perhaps while holding a serving of that renowned brand of coffee that Pinoys spend half of their daily income on everyday). The only thing we ask of you is not to expect an environment where losers and crybabies are coddled (like some “collective” blogs I know).😀

    • Joe America says:

      Benign0,

      I understand your point of view. Some structures do require dismantling before proper construction can begin. But there is also a theme in the old, ill Pinoy world, the clanish attitude, that whoever is not for me is against me, and worthy of destruction. So, to be anti-pinoy, you have to take care that you are not, indeed, engaging in destruction in that ill way. I personally view difference as enriching, not threatening. Which is why my life is here now, and not in Los Angeles. FV and AP are different. Both can contribute constructively to the dialogue that needs to happen. To undermine one voice is to work against that dialogue, and therefore not very useful deconstruction.

      Gday mayte

      Joe

    • benign0 says:

      Mr Joe America, I just now published a full-blown article in UnmoderatedFilipinoVoices – Noynoy: Like the stiff in “Weekend at Bernie’s” – in response to your pal Abe Margallo’s brain-dead “Noynoy is Not the One” article.

      I thought what I wrote there would be a good context as well to frame my above comment so I immortalised it in there as well.

      Happy reading!🙂

    • Chino says:

      “(1) I make no apologies about my personal goal to DESTROY, UNDERMINE, and CRUSH outdated, useless, and even destructive hare-brained Filipino traditions, belief systems, and cultural baggage; furthermore,”

      THIS is what attracted me to stay with the Get Realists. They have the same beef I have with the parts of Filipino culture, beliefs and traditions that have made living in the Philippines hell on earth. What, living in the Philippines is hell on earth? Oh yeah, I recall that was what Manuel Quezon wanted anyway. “A Philippines run like hell by Filipinos.” nyahaha.

  41. ey Joe F.U.C.KTARD (fuc.k.ing retard) BETTER SEE A PSYCHIATRIST NOW!!! .. seriously. you’re beginning to show of the symptoms a retard that needs to be placed in a straight jacket. you’re stalking people… your rants are repetitive…you’ve kept on whining and crying,. what is worse is that you think you are SIMON COWEL… tsk tsk tsk… everyone now knows that you’ve had an unhappy childhood… huhuhuhuhu…

    get a life FU.C.KTARD… failure on to pass the audition at the American Idol and to kiss the ass of Simon Cowel isn’t the end of the world…. THE SHOW IS NOT AMERICAN KISS.AS.S it’s AMERICAN IDOL… WRONG SHOW FU.CK.TARD. geeeez… and stop that “I AM SIMON COWEL” thing…

    let me help you out… repeat after me

    I AM NOT SIMON COWEL

    again

    I AM NOT SIMON COWEL

    for the last time

    I AM JOE FU.C.KTARD the AMERICAN KissA.S.S

    • Joe America says:

      There are the good, the honorable, the kind, the brave. And there is Jet. There are the compassionate, the wise, the talented, the humorous. And there is Jet. There are the inspiring, the builders, the movers and the shakers. And there is Jet. There are the profound, the beautiful, the enlightened, the aware. And there is Jet.

      When God created man, He had hopes and dreams, gave them free will, set them out on their own to evolve, learn, climb, grow, be all they could be . . . and they came up with . . . Jet.

      Joe

  42. benign0 says:

    You are such a Drama Queen Mr Joe America. There is no Filipino tearing down Filipino here. That’s all in your mind (and probably in the minds of most FV inhabitants). It is all merely a clash of ideas dude. FV stands by its idea of how a blog should be run. We merely challenge said idea.

    It’s simple, really™ — though not for the small-minded.

    Your likening this to the Ampatuan massacre is a false analogy. The cyber equivalent of resorting to an Ampatuan-style massacre will involve hacking into the FV server and shutting it down. That’s not what we’re doing here dude.

    What you see (and don’t seem to have the cojones for) is actually the whole point of Web 2.0 if you haven’t noticed yet, gramps. A digital market of competing ideas where parties attempt to demolish, undermine, and discredit the other. The fiercer the competition, the more robust the synthesis that emerges. That Pinoys are averse to such a competition probably accounts for much of the BACKWARDNESS of Pinoy society (kind of like how a kid who was raised in a clean room would die of the common cold if allowed to get out).

    But that is not even my point. My point lies in this rather laughable gem of yours from your recent comment:

    The oddity, the supreme oddity, is that you (and others on AP) preach freedom of expression while allowing FV precious little latitude to be different than you.

    Who is “allowing” who what latitude gramps?

    As if we could and as if we would if we could. Nobody is in any real physical position here to allow or disallow anything dude. I or we may be exerting pressure on FV but via channels and assets that are UNDER OUR CONTROL. That is as much as we or anyone on the Web could do. If this pressure (via, to emphasize again, OUR CHANNELS) causes anyone distress, then that is more a function of that person’s personal constitution or fortitude than on the rightness or wrongness of said pressure applied.

    Indeed, they can choose to ignore this pressure. But check it out, dude. They even came up with an article that attempts to set the “moderation” record straight. Bato bato sa langit kung baga, Mr Joe America. Ask your kapit-bahay to translate that for you. We merely threw a line in and, guess what: A BIG FISH BIT.

    Deal with it old-timer. I’m sure you got to your ripe age and survived whatever battles you’ve fought by not being the kind of wus that requires the sorts of nannyism that you now take it upon yourself to defend here.

    • Super Anti Pinoy says:

      Benign0, BongV,

      Due to Joe’s arrogance, I was inspired to contribute.

      Made some pictures. Hope its good enough. You guys are free to use it anywhere:

      p2

      p1

      • Joe America says:

        As if fixing Joe’s arrogance would make the Philippines a productive nation.
        And some babies play with their wee little dickies all day long.

        Joe

      • May Party Sa Dasma Wala Akong Wheels says:

        And some prance around like backtracking literary fairies.

    • Joe America says:

      Benign0,

      I somehow prefer chronic backtracker to drama queen.
      At least you read what I wrote,
      so there is not much more to do here . . .

      I’ve never met a Filipino whose mind I could change,
      whether he hangs his hat in Manila or timbuktoo . . .

      Come to think of it,
      I ain’t as flexible as I used to be either,
      in the joints or the cranial reaches.

      But I do have age as an excuse.
      As you persistently remind me . . .

      Ever snorkled the Great Barrier Reef?

      I took a boat, the “Rumrunner”, out of Tribulation Bay, Daintree National Forest, back in ’04. Rather less traveled part of the reef than Cairnes. Amazing undersea gardens filled with giant clams, sharks, and creatures of indescribably beauty and ugliness;
      not unlike the human kind, I suppose, but far more exotic, for sure.
      It puts things like spitfights between bloggers in their mundane perspective.
      You can look back from the boat up the mountains to two spires, huge rocks called Pieter Bott, jabbing up into a gigantic sky,
      where I was the first outsider ever to be escorted up the mountain,
      through the rainforest, and onto the northern spire.
      There were no trails, only the guide’s compass and up . . .
      two days up, through caves, over rocks, across slippery jungle roots, gently past razor sharp vines,
      trudging trudging trudging through rain and heat.
      I almost killed myself, falling over the edge of a cliff and saving myself by grabbing a two inch tree,
      like out of a Zorro movie,
      whilst my guide scrambled down to rescue me. I was forever picking blood-sucking leeches off my neck, back, legs, arms, and when I returned, I looked like a blood encrusted ghoul from “Shawn of the Dead”. . . stiff legs, vacant eyes . . .

      but with a small, exhausted smile of grand accomplishment.

      See you around . . .

      Joe

  43. and i’m fuc.kin mcgyver joe….

    let me level with you gramps… you may have BEEN THERE… DONE THAT… but this is a forum of ideas. Like the moralist BenignO and the amazon Ilda pointed out in context, in which i do agree, at the end of the day it is just a matter of opinion. We can DIE ANOTHER DAY… OR live another day. My two bottles of beer (red horse grande) still stands…

    Love

    Jet

    • Joe America says:

      Jet,

      Red horse gives me a headache and you give me a gut ache. I appreciate the invite but think we need to reach a better harmony of understanding to make it worth your time or mine.

      The snorkle story is just a creative framework to make two points:

      (1) Some people are beautiful, others ugly.
      (2) Blogspitting, at the end of the day, is not really material.

      It was addressed to Benign0 because he has the reach of intellect and depth of soul to grasp the point.

      I would add, no creative framework for you, name calling is a choice.

      Joe

      • Joe America says:

        And I would add, the story was a acknowledgment that, although Benign0 can resoundingly box me and my ideas around, I know the point is intellectual, not personal. So we can whack at one another, and at the end of the day, still hold respect for one another. The story is a form of sharing a beer, within the blog forum . . .

        You and I do not share that . . . right now.

        I would add that UP n and I started out on the wrong foot, many moons ago, but we got re-balanced through persistence of effort to understand one another.

        Joe

      • you really make me laugh joe…

        to be “intellectual” in your paradigm is to go through a long and winding road of rethorics and apply that Machiavellian principle of divide and conquer. your argument of “being one of the intellectuals” and your BEEN HERE DONE THAT schematics have not worked for you either. i could have gone flaming you all day but that would make you feel more dumber… i’ve opted not to…. still up to now you’re still baiting. It’s your choice. really… it is your choice.

      • Joe America says:

        Jet,

        I don’t understand why the quality of my character is so important to you. Do you figure anybody who disagrees with you is flawed and requires your attentions to remake him in the mold you see fit? Hey, I fart, too, and snore. My wife wonders if you can do anything about those conditions. She doesn’t mind my intellectual ramblings because she is smart enough to apply the ones that should be applied and ignore those that don’t. She thinks my character is rather sweet and entertaining, considerate and generous.

        But I guess you figure you know me better, eh?

        You have your work cut out for you, for sure. Correcting all the character flaws in the Philippines . . . and globally.

        You know, I doubt you can wrap your mind about it, but you are actually the best argument for FV’s editorial policies. Indeed, you are the reason for them . . .

        You poison the discussion with character assassinations that have nothing to do with the issues. So FV starts to draw lines so that some semblance of clarity and decency can be assured for the majority of contributors who don’t wish to deal with personal slurs. Then, because their voices are sometimes biting as well as insightful, important contributions from writers like BongV, Benign0, and UP n get moderated. . .

        So if you want to find the real source of this particular issue, if you have the courage to go to the heart of it, you will realize that it is not the people at FV. And it is not my arrogance.

        If there is no dirt, there is no need for a filter.

        This “censorship” argument is so much horseshit. People who publish are free to rid their media of dialogue they find offensive. Anybody can express anything in the correct forum. They cannot run into an elementary school shouting fcuk, and they cannot demand that the Wall Street Journal allow them space to slander decent people. You are just bent out of shape because someone declared you “unfit” for their forum. And you respond like most Filipinos do when offended . . . by lashing out. I just happened to walk by at the time . . .

        AP welcomes you, so rip away. I have decided I will do as people here have suggested. Go to FV, a site that comprehends decency. I personally feel there is a place for George Carlin, and if I wish that kind of entertainment, I will look it up. Right now, I am more seriously inclined, wanting to understand the Philippines, the serious side, and offering any wisdom that fits. My kid’s future depends on it. He does not benefit by your style of commentary.

        Joe

      • Intelligent Voter says:

        Joe,

        Nobody here believes you anymore.

        But you are free to waste as much time, bandwidth and disk space as you please.

      • You’re still at it Joe?

        1. In the forum of OPINIONS nobody really cares whether you are McGyver, James Bond or Batman in real life. They won’t even bother the Casanova or the Rasputin stories of women scratching your ego. CHARACTER doesn’t count… it’s your imagination.

        2. Whether you fart, snore and spit… or argue about your humanity… doesn’t excuse you from being scrutinized on the opinion that you’ve posted. Whatever form it maybe… you should thank buddah… no matter how fncktard he is… he’s read your post… ergo… he’s human too.

        2.b. Sense of humor is subjective. It lies on the mental capacity of the recipient.

        3. Your argument on censorship and edits… NOT MY ARGUMENT… . I AGREE on the right of an admin and moderator to censor post for technical reason that it is their site. They can censor and delete any post that does not conform with their biases. Why I am calling nick the kcirp is his posted statement that FV is a NON-BIAS blog-forum. I just call a spade a spade… PURE AND SIMPLE HYPOCRITICAL STATEMENT. If you can’t agree with that… that is your problem.

        3.b You don’t need to lecture me on EDITING because FV does not practice that. Editing is correcting either with an eraser or typing in another sheet of paper. They simply censor…. because they have their biases protected and coated according to their standard… your standard.

        4. Your DECENCY definition is flawed. There is an argument between FORM and SUBSTANCE somewhere here… If the THE BIAS does not conform with the SUBSTANCE it is deemed TO BE CENSORED… no matter how decent the FORM is.

        5. My reference of being a Filipino on replying to a post is A RACIST COMMENT… this is the third time you’ve done that. If I would start this discourse… you wouldn’t like it.

        6. When a person factors into the argument his experiences, bank account number, and the number of women fncked that are in no way connected to the subject matter… the argument already has a twisted logic.

        7. DIE ANOTHER DAY… OR LIVE ANOTHER DAY… don’t you think this is enough?

      • Crazy Old Man says:

        Jet,

        You asked for it. Now let me deliver my killer blow.

        I wrote a song to crush your soul. Enjoy.

      • Crazy Old Man says:

        Song Title: The Ballad of A Crazy Old Man
        by: A Crazy Old Man

        Chords: Four fingered G, Four fingered Cadd9, D, Bm

        Strumming Pattern: Four beats per measure, UP UP DOWN UP switch-DOWN, switching chords on the last DOWN strum to loop the pattern

        Vocal Style: Folksy Ballad

        G Cadd9
        I am a lolo

        D
        Who climbed Mount Apo

        Bm
        Then swam to Jolo

        G Cadd9 D Bm G
        And there is Jet

        Cadd9
        Jet listen to me

        D
        I will set you free

        Bm
        Jet wag makulet

        G Cadd9 D Bm G
        I don’t give a shet

        Cadd9
        I’m into Cocoy

        D
        He’s such a good boy

        Bm
        Devout and honest

        G Cadd9 D Bm G
        And there is Jet

        Cadd9
        Jet listen to me

        D
        I will set you free

        Bm
        Jet wag makulet

        G Cadd9 D Bm G
        I don’t give a shet

        Chorus:

        Chords: G, Em
        Strumming Pattern: DOWN DOWN UP DOWN
        Baseline: Hip-Hop beat
        Vocal Tyle: Angry White Rapper (think Eminem)

        G
        Hear me now you

        Em
        Antipinoy

        G
        Don’t hate Abe ’cause

        Em
        he’s smarter, wiser

        G
        You think I’m old

        Em
        But I’ll pwn ya’ll

        G
        I’ve got the truth

        Em
        And I’ll shove it

        G
        Down your throat dawg

        Em
        Yeah c’mon bring it fool!

        (full stop, silence)

        (Scream): “Have you been to the Great Barrier Reef?”

        (Return to folksy ballad style)

        G Cadd9 D Bm G

        Cadd9
        I’m into Cocoy

        D
        He’s such a good boy

        Bm
        Devout and honest

        G Cadd9 D Bm G
        And there is Jet

        Cadd9
        Jet listen to me

        D
        I will set you free

        Bm
        Jet wag makulet

        G Cadd9 D Bm G
        I don’t give a shet

        Cadd9 D Bm G…(fade)

  44. ilda says:

    Ladies and gentlemen

    Please allow me to show you that there are people who can rise to the occasion and move on while others choose to continue bullying those who they perceive is the weaker party. The latter cry out foul when other people use profanity on them, proclaim their own self as a victim (of their own doing) and yet never wavers calling someone else a liar, slanderer or a chickenshit without so much of a proof or the slightest provocation.

    Below is a comment from Ms Lila Shahani made on the 1st of February (4 days after this blog was published) to another FV commentator Leytenian:

    I had no idea leytenian was a woman too. Like u, Ilda is also a pleasure to engage with. Thanks again!

    Here is the link to that comment so you can check it out yourself.
    http://filipinovoices.com/an-open-letter-to-candidate-gilbert-teodoro/comment-page-1#comment-137739

    The above is further proof that this blog did not damage FV or anyone’s reputation. In fact, Filipino Voices as a result, has clarified their position on moderation after this blog and succeeding blogs were published and confirmed that they do block comments at their own discretion. There was no distortion of the truth and no flag waving as has been suggested by a single individual. If anything, the TRUTH came out of this whole exercise.

    I thank the people who spoke out especially those who are new to AP and even had to register for the first time only because they felt compelled to (Observer and Super Anti pinoy). As I’ve told Ms Lila, any rational person who witnesses a debate, discussion, argument or a fight can discern who has been wronged and who has been righted.

    I hope no further name calling will be directed at me after this.

    Thank you.

    • ilda says:

      If I may add May Party sa Dasma Wala Akong Wheels to the list.

      Ta

    • Humble Servant of Christ says:

      I always thought you to be fair and balanced in your blogs Ilda. So I do not understand if many people would resort to name calling with you.

      Good bless.

    • Crazy Canadian says:

      Ilda,

      When I was young, I fought in the Civil War. I remember, in the battle of Fredricksburg, the Union forces where marching up the hill towards our entrenched position. We repelled attack after attack yet they kept on coming until night came. The battle was one of the worst Union defeats in history because the commander refused to see the error of their logic.

      So when I tell you that FV is not censoring or deleting messages unjustly and you argue, it reminds me of Fredricksburg. My position is correct, up the hill and entrenched, while yours is erred.

      • benign0 says:

        Maybe it’s changed now, dude (perhaps under Cocoy Dayao’s stewardship). But that doesn’t change its track record for unfair moderation when the observation was made.

        In fact, I believe both Cocoy and Nick revealed in a comment they made last week that they were unaware of some of the deletions that were made on some comments.

      • Crazy Canadian says:

        Benign0, let me tell you a story. I was snorkeling around Key Largo when a hurricane swept me out to sea. I clung to a coconut for two days until I saw an Eagle Ray and rode it until we reached Islamorada. There, I collapsed on the beach and was approached by an endangered deer. I was not supposed to touch it but, unable to walk, I decided to ride on its back. It took me all the way up to Miami where it died. But I was able to join a group of gypsies. They had good drugs. I woke up the next day in a hotel bathtub full of ice with a phone taped to my hand. There was a note in the wall. “Don’t panic,” it read. “We have taken your kidneys. Relax and call 911.” Right. But the phone battery had died. Luckily, there was laptop nearby. I logged into my Gmail account and read an email sent from a friend telling me to forward this email to all my friends so that Bill Gates will give me $5,000. I did what was instructed but only got angry emails in return. And so the rest is history.

        The moral of story, Benign0, is not to trust an Eagle Ray to drop you off on some stupid island.

      • benign0 says:

        I don’t think so, dude. I believe the moral of the story is:

        IF you are swept out to sea by a hurricane and your only hope for survival is the possibility of riding an Eagle Ray to an obscure island, THEN you are basically fncked.

        So the solution is:

        AVOID putting yourself in a situation that heightens your risk of getting swept out to sea by a hurricane.

        It’s simple, really™ — though not for the small-minded.

      • rego says:

        Crazy canadian, I m also a regular at FV especially during the time wher Benigo, Bong V and Ilda was writing there. I dont rmeber being my messages being deleted . But I know for a fact that other people s comment are being deleted or “moderated”/ The thing is the blog owner himself admitted that they moderated the site. so they can actually delete or censors the comments. So ypu erred.

      • Crazy Old Man says:

        Rego,

        Everyone in FV are very honest and nice people. They will not tolerate rude comments and those are the ones that are being blocked. As to the others like TheRealDeal, Filo, etc, being blocked, that’s untrue. So those people complaining about their messages disappearing are just imagining things and they should stop smoking Conyo’s drugs.

      • ilda says:

        If you say so Crazy Old Man.

        There’s really no point in arguing with someone named CRAZY, is there?

        I’m just going to include you in the list of irrational people. Now there are two people on that list.

        Enjoy your life🙂

      • Crazy Old Man says:

        Ilda,

        I bear the truth and since all you Antipinoys don’t get it, I must try-and-try-until-you-die to shove it down your throats. If someone is drowning in the river, are we not obligated to save them? That is what is happening here. You are all drowning in falsehood. It is my duty to save you all.

        Game Set and Match. No need to apologize. I have forgiven you already.

        P.S. Who is the other one on the list? Noynoy?

      • ilda says:

        I’d love to stay and debate with you Crazy Old Man but:

        1. Life is too short.
        2. I’m going out tonight.
        3. When I get back home, I’ve got a box set of The Wire to watch.
        4. I’ve already accepted that Old Crazy men don’t like me.

        Ciao

        PS. Good luck with your music career.

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  46. Rob' Ramos says:

    From what I know, part of what makes democracy work and wonderful is that it is a marketplace of ideas. So long as you are not offensive – and even in the US, their one restriction to Freedom of Expression / Speech is the “Fighting Words” doctrine, if I remember correctly – you can say your mind.

    Because true democracy thrives in that meeting of minds. If you let people speak, free and without fear, even that invention of modern media called the “chilling effect” or the “spiral of silence”, you’ll be surprised at what can come out.

    At the very least, people will be informed. And as a liberal democrat, choices made if you’re informed are almost always the best.

    If there indeed is “competition” between AP and the other commentary sites out there… well and good, in my opinion. Competition is good, because if it is handled well, it can make you – and this case, your ideas – stronger. Its like the dialectic: thesis + antithesis = synthesis.

    By the way, ilda, nice article once again. I’ve been called a paid hack, too, more than once. Or that my ideas reflected my being an “Admin supporter.” Sad, that..

    Deym, but you guys are making me want to write in my political blog again. I stopped doing so because it felt like no one was listening. You don’t have to go to Ellen’s blog to feel the heat.

    P.S.: I find it funny they’re banning you guys from speaking out in FV. And those are the same people who are angry when media gets suppressed?

    • ilda says:

      Hey Rob!

      LOL – you just found one of the most passionate discussions here about free speech🙂

      Unfortunately, some of our friends in the blogging world don’t really know the meaning of democracy. It was ironic that this FV commenter Joe America was criticizing AP for creating another blogsite that rivalled FV when in fact; AP was created out of the frustration of the authors here because they were either routinely moderated or totally banned from commenting on that site.

      The way I see it, it’s the readers who decide which site they want to live or die. Sites need to evolve with the changing market. People are bombarded with lots of information nowadays. Everyone is trying to compete for your attention. With anything, it takes diligence and hard work to maintain the status quo. Not everyone realises this. AP is doing better than FV now but things can change if AP writers suddenly fall into the same trap as FV. Hopefully our readers will tell us what they want to see and read and help us stay on course.

      Now is the right time to go back to writing your political blog again. You need to share what you know for everyone’s benefit 🙂

      Thanks for the compliment.

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