This is it guys. If the following information does not convince you not to vote for Noynoy Aquino, I don’t know what will. Heck, Noynoy’s alleged mental disorder is ok with you, so it is so hard to tell what else can convince you that he is not the right man for the top job.
You know how most of you will be voting for Noynoy Aquino just because the media is saying that he is leading the polls? Well, guess what: According to this paper I stumbled upon, the two polling firms who have been conducting the presidential polls have interlocking directorships with most of them actually members of the Philippine Oligarchy. If you don’t know what that means, I’ll spell it out: it means, the firms are actually owned by family and friends of, TADAA!!!: Noynoy Aquino. Holy nepotism, Batman!
A certain Professor Alfredo Sureta wrote a paper about the public opinion organisations in the Philippines in December 2009. In that paper, he stated that “some of the prominent members of the board and stockholders of Pulse Asia are blood relatives of Sen. Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino III, official candidate of the Liberal Party” who is now ironically leading the polls.
Here’s an excerpt from that paper:
Interlocking directorship within two polling firms
The SWS was founded in 1986 by Dr. Mahar Mangahas, Prof. Felipe Miranda, then DPWH Sec. Jose P. de Jesus (under President Cory Aquino), Mercy Abad among others while Pulse Asia was founded in the 90s when Prof. Felipe Miranda separated from Mangahas and bolted SWS. It should be noted that Managhas is the cousin of the late presidential candidate Fernando Poe, Jr while some of the prominent members of the board and stockholders of the Pulse Asia are blood relatives of Sen. Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino III, official candidate for the president of the Liberal Party. The corporate records of both firms that are available at the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) will also show interlocking directorship with several personalities appearing as stockholders of both SWS and Pulse Asia.
Felipe Mirand, Rosalinda T. Miranda, Gemino H. Abad, Mercedes R. Abad, Jose P. de Jesus appear in SEC records as being founders and or stockholders of both SWS and Pulse Asia.
Mercedes R. Abad who is president of TRENDS-MBL, is the one who used to conduct the field research for both SWS and Pulse Asia.
Jose P. de Jesus of Pulse Asia was the DPWH Secretary during the time of the late President Cory Aquino.
Antonio O. Conjuangco and Rafael Conjuangco Lopa of Pulse Asia are cousins of Benigno Simeon “Noynoy” Conjuangco Aquino III
What else can we make of this information? Not much except the fact that now we know that these polling firms are so closely linked to the candidate who is now leading the polls. Since these polling firms do not divulge the types of questions they provide or how they conduct their surveys, no one really knows for sure how they come up with the numbers that they publish. It seems to me that there is a lot of secrecy in how they arrive at the conclusion of Noynoy being at the top. Another important question is, since the directors of the said firms are either friends or relations of Noynoy, are they conducting these surveys pro-bono? I can’t imagine these people rooting for another candidate. Gibo Teodoro might be a Conjuangco but we all know that there is some kind rumoured rift between him and the family.
Now we know that Richard Gordon was not out of line in suing these firms. Now we know that there is merit in his claim that the timing and the way these surveys are conducted might be favourable towards Noynoy. It is also quite suspect that media outlets also pounce on the results as soon as they are out and quickly publish these with their tailored interpretation. As Professor Alfredo Sureta said, candidates and campaign planners who subscribe to surveys know where and how to hit the opponents in the last stretch down the road. The problem is, if you don’t have the funds to subscribe to surveys, you won’t make the mark. But if you have friends in the right places like Noynoy, you may come out on top.
Professor Alfredo Sureta also mentioned that in the United States, during pre-election campaigns, poll results by established and upcoming media trade names and polling organizations are published side by side every day in the newspapers, posted on the internet and even aircast television. No results were identical and each varied significantly with the other. Because there are more polling firms in the US (and for the most part not likely to be owned by a relative of a presidential candidate), it levels the playing field. This gives the public wider latitude for decision making. It means, people can make their own informed decisions based on the comparison from more than two of them and not be forced to swallow a colluded ABS-CBN or Inquirer.net “interpretation” of the survey results.
It makes sense that the expansion in the number of polling firms not owned by an avid Aquino supporter or an Aquino relative “will enhance not only the credibility of the science of polling in the country but would also allow for a better flow of information to the voting public on the agenda and platforms of the candidates.”
So is it a case of an Aquino-Inc-owned polling firm interpreted by an Aquino-Inc media outlet leading to an Aquino-Inc-led administration?
Are you going to allow this to happen? Please, don’t let the Kamag-anak Inc continue their rule over the Philippines.
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I don’t believe Pulse Asia will conduct a survey to favor a particular candidate, like Noynoy Aquino. His (Aquino) relatives and friends may be sitting in the PA’s Board but i don’t think the people running the firm (whom i know are professors of reputable schools) won’t put their credibility at stake.
As the President of Pulse Asia admitted in a tv interview this morning, there has been no study here in the Philippines that show the significance of surveys in creating a bandwagon or underdog effect. Pre-election surveys are just “snapshots”. Election day will show the real picture. And we can make a difference in painting the real picture by choosing a candidate who can best lead us and this country out of the mess we’re in now.
THINK and vote wisely…
Hey… Pinay Goddess but think of the psychological effect to the voters knowing that their candidate is trailing behind because of the false trending…
I think what PG was getting at was that the real fools are the ones who allow themselves to be influenced by these surveys, rather than see it as just a snapshot.
If not, disregard nalang. 🙂
Reiterating my earlier comment in another post, pre-election polls are conducted to periodically generate the opinion or disposition of the public on matters of social and/or political relevance.
Are pre-electoral surveys predictive?I don’t think so. The survey results may capture episodes but not necessarily show a trend. We should take into consideration several factors that influence voters and may induce changes or affirm their initial preferences. Voters preferences could still change across time, as the “environment” and “equation” changes.
So if you really believe in your candidate, don’t believe on the survey results. Be vigilant and do something to improve his/her ranking. Help him/her win.
Journalists and the public should pay less attention to the inexact art of election forecasting and more to the sinister implications of (hidden) political marketing” [Bogart, as cited in Lavrakasand Traugott, 2000)
Well it’s never a bad thing to keep educating people of the possibilities that people are most likely master-minding such activities as these surveys. There’s only 10 days to go and 10 days is still enough time to convince people not to vote for Homer Simpson.
hahaha! nice one! laugh trip, HOMER SIMPSON (noynoyabnoy)! LOL!
@Pinay Goddess
How convenient for Pulse Asia that there has been no study. It doesn’t mean though that the bandwagon effect or underdog effect is not real or not taking place.
And I wonder why Noynoy made this statement: ““If we have a correct counting of the votes, I think we will be very victorious,” He was obviously referring to his lead in the supposedly “reliable” polls.
🙂
There is no study in the Philippines but lots of studies have been made in Europe, a reference is available in- the Broken Compass in a time of uncertainty
What Pulse Asia in effect is saying is similar to this – “there is no Philppine study on the side effect of viagra” (however, there are non-Philippine studies on viagra). Palusot, pure and simple.
“Surveys show that tactical voting, that is whether or not to support a party close to the barrier for parliamentary representation, is partially based on media reporting of poll data.”
actually this survey question has been asked and answered too. the answer is no.
furthermore, there is NO “barrier” in RP elections. different circumstances.
Noynoyabnoy told me yesterday that he’s going to kill himself if ever he will not win. too bad, good for the country. 😀
Noynoy can have the presidency of the Republic of SWS. He can rule that country made up of 2,800 citizen.
LOL. A real good one, Glenn.
I hope these survey manipulators gets punished.
why anti-pinoy?
Hi Art… Read here: http://antipinoy.com/hello-world/
We write about Pinoys who act like they are anti-Pinoy 🙂
Who really is the anti-Pinoy? Are you?
Oh my god this is like oh my god…I knew it. I mean really, it’s hard to get a 43% trust rating with everyone in the Philippines being cynical of the government.
This comes to show that the family is not only the basic unit of Filipino society but also its biggest detriment.
OMG talaga!
What can you expect.. They’ve been doing this for years..
I really thought the Filipino has reached his nadir. If I really cared about Noynoy I wouldn’t vote for him honestly. I’d want him to not be hurt cause people with BPD…bash them and it’s not gonna be good for them
Kamaganak Inc went by the buzzword cronyism back in the Marcos years. People old enough will remember that word. Ironic that under an Aquino administration we will be seeing the renaissance of this same flavour of cronyism.
As always, kawawang Pinoy. FOREVER imprisoned in a complex of dysfunction of his own design. 😀
Look who’s laughing
all the way to the bank…
Not everything about family-friendly is good
“RAFA COJUANGCO LOPA – 1st cousin of Noynoy, executive director of the Ninoy Aquino Foundation and was president of Pulse Asia until last year
ANTONIO O. COJUANGCO – Noynoy’s second cousin, the telecom heir who initially bankrolled Pulse Asia
JOSE P. DE JESUS of Pulse Asia – DPWH Secretary during Cory’s time
The corporate records of SWS and Pulse Asia at the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) also show several personalities appearing as stockholders of both SWS and Pulse Asia.
Felipe Miranda, Rosalinda T. Miranda, Gemino H. Abad, Mercedes R. Abad, Jose P. de Jesus appear in SEC records as being founders and or stockholders of both SWS and Pulse Asia.
Mercedes R. Abad who is president of TRENDS-MBL is the one who used to conduct the field research for both SWS and Pulse Asia.”
Much appreciated pinoychan :)!
hmmm… if they are noynoy’s relatives, they must be gibo’s relatives too.
Pero, hello, is Gibo using his connections for his own benefit? 😐
wow, you must be god to know noynoy is. pathetic
They may be. But Gibo can’t be manipulated by the all the businessmen (ie, Makati Business Club) like Noynoy. He uses his brains. =)
wow, you must be god too, or maybe you’re Gibo’s confidant?
@ GabbyD
Ang galing mo… paano mo nahulaan na relatives din ni Gibo yung mga relatives ni Noynoy sa SWS survey… bilib na talaga ako sa husay ng utak mo.
GabbyD,
You don’t get it. Rapa Lopa’s mother is Cory’s sister.
Gibo is farther away from Rapa Lopa than Noynoy is. Study the Cojuangco family tree you idiot!
Thing is, and even more so, Gibo has done quite a bit to not even use the family name to give him a feel good image of his candidacy, much like Noynoy did. If he didn’t want his accolades and accomplishments to represent him and what he’s capable for the position, what is stopping him from simply name dropping the Aquino line? Simply, the guy has pride in his own ways to win the election. Even with Edu Manzano as his right hand man.
Actually, I know or have been told a few things from the inside regarding Gibo. All I know, is that I do not trust him. That’s all I’m saying…
Remember, blood is thicker than wine. Also, if you can recall in one of the early forums, when asked about what he would do to GMA if he wins, Gibo did not directly answer but rather said something like, “It is not like us Filipinos to bring down the one who gave us the break/opportunities.” You make the judgment.
“Since these polling firms do not divulge the types of questions they provide or how they conduct their surveys, no one really knows for sure how they come up with the numbers that they publish.”
this is not true. the questions, methods, and results are available. ask them for it.
Nah. The onus is on THEM to make that public proactively. 😀
it is available. on their website/releases. if u want more technical info, ask them for it.
That’s a cop-out. They know that their integrity will be questioned, it is in their interests to pre-empt that by making the necessary disclosure.
And even if you’re right, Gabby, isn’t that the role of the media?
I think it may be safe to assume that it’s the role of the media to inform us of valuable info such as this, but they’re not doing it because it goes against their practice of dumbing us down. 😉
Since these polling firms do not divulge the types of questions they provide or how they conduct their surveys, no one really knows for sure how they come up with the numbers that they publish.”
this is not true. the questions, methods, and results are available. ask them for it.
True. I was in a forum where a Pulse Asia official presented how they conduct the surveys, with sample questionnaires, detailed explanation of the methodology and interpretation of results. All you have to do is request.
The way i understood the presentation, it’s hard to manipulate the data gathered.
Hard? Hello, I’ve asked some people who were asked by these surveyors, lo and behold, they really narrow down the choices from NA and MV.
You mean…..instead of the surveyors asking you who your candidate of choice is, they ask you to pick between NA and MV? That doesn’t sound right.
I haven’t run into anyone who’s been surveyed, so I don’t know exactly how they conduct these.
wow, where did you get that info? galing galing mo talaga
It’s hard to manipulate data especially when the questions that led to the data were tailored to suit a certain outcome. These firms can definitely ask leading questions. For example, if they ask “who among the two candidates do you prefer?” when in fact there are more than two candidates, something like that. It becomes pointless then to ask for the copy of the questionnaires particularly when the results have already been published by the media 🙂
The more important issues are:
The polling firms are owned by relations and friends of Noynoy. That should already give people enough reason to doubt the results of the survey.
and:
Who pays for their subscription of these surveys? How we wish there were more polling firms to compare them with. As I said:
It levels the playing field. This gives the public wider latitude for decision making. It means, people can make their own informed decisions based on the comparison from more than two of them and not be forced to swallow a colluded ABS-CBN or Inquirer.net “interpretation” of the survey results.
It makes sense that the expansion in the number of polling firms not owned by an avid Aquino supporter or an Aquino relative “will enhance not only the credibility of the science of polling in the country but would also allow for a better flow of information to the voting public on the agenda and platforms of the candidates.”
I had a good comment to reply to you here, but once it went past the 1,100 word mark I figured I’d just keep it to wallpaper my own page:
http://badmannersgunclub.blogspot.com/2010/05/opinion-polls-and-voter-influence-clear.html
first:
“The polling firms are owned by relations and friends of Noynoy. That should already give people enough reason to doubt the results of the survey.”
this cant be right. the right question to ask is: what methods are they using, what is their track record, and can other surveys replicate the same data, given the same methods.
replicability is the HALLMARK of science, ilda.
but i , and SWS/Pulse agree with you — more surveys, the better.
Actually, the article in the link posted by BenK up there, I think, is spot on. It’s all about marketing… And having more surveys participate only minimizes the confusion, tho all surveys regarding political influence should never take part during election period. As the author in that article said, “If it is a greater problem here in this election than compared to, for example, the 2008 US elections, it is simply because there is a far fewer number of competing survey firms to give voters different sources of influence to consider.”
Hahah BenK… I didn’t realize that you were the author of that.
Well, they will ask you first kung sino, pero as the survey goes along, the surveyors are narrowing it down until NA and MV na lang talaga. How atrocious naman that process is. Sheesh.
Good one oceanofred 🙂
Damn, atrocious talaga.
At least those of us who never believed in RP-style political survey conducting (in fairness to other survey firms who deserve respect) in the first place are now looking much better.
Thanks for the info, Ilda.
Yeah! I’m so glad I saw this information early today. I can’t believe that this entire time people like me weren’t aware that these firms are owned by Noynoy’s relatives and friends. Grabe! It’s unbelievable!!!
Questions like those made by chronic point misser GabbyD and the comment above by Pinay Goddess, well, miss the point.
The point lies not in the availability of the questions/methodologies per se, but in the way they are designed as a package when served to the respondents. In, effect, the information on the methodology is made available to the public, true. But then the intended effect by the time these methodologies are public (as a disclaimer or public disclosure cop out) has already been delivered (with the aid of Big Media collusion).
Some more insight…
“Opinion Polls and Elections“, The Diplomat
“Gordon sues SWS, Pulse Asia“, The Philippine Star
“Philippine Political Surveys are Fatally Flawed“, Kit Tatad, First Things First
Etcetera, etcetera.
It’s like how at the end of a movie involving violence against, say, horses. The credits end with the disclaimer “No horses were harmed in the production of this film” and yet an emotional response from the audience upon seeing simulated harm done on horses portrayed in said film had already been effected.
And that is the point.
Disclaimer: Not all points made in AntiPinoy.com are readily evident to the average Pinoy mind. 😀
@Benigno
Well im just sharing an experience…it’s my learning experience and you dont have to question it. Contrary to one of the comments above, Im also validating the availability of information from survey firms, particularly Pulse Asia as i have experienced.
I was also informed that Pulse Asia, in particular, uses a questionnaire patterned from a sample ballot. Sample question: If election is held today, who will you vote for? The choices are similar to what’s printed in the ballot that will be used on election day. So it’s not true that choices are trimmed down to only 2 or 3 candidates. I suggest you see their actual questionnaires to appreciate what I’m describing here.
As for my other insights, please refer to my previous comments.
These survey firms can hold public announcements and forums so they can try to assure you that they’re not doing anything funny, but when they get back into their offices, they start doing their funny stuff. They don’t need to manipulate the data… they just don’t need to show it to you their data, because it’s after all “confidential.” And they can cook up the numbers in a different paper. Remember, making the surveys is in the field, but the survey results and reports are all written up behind the scenes, so it’s easy for them to set up the smoke and mirrors. Also, there are such things as “false leaks,” meant to mislead people, which can be used in the public forums they hold. If you ask for data, they can create false data, meant for the sake of warding off suspicion. Thus such organizations can hide what they’re actually doing.
The surveys after all are for politicians themselves and for foreigners… so both Pulse Asia and SWS in a way broke their professional duty by releasing something to the public. That alone could make you wonder, even if they’re not cheating on the data, what the hell are they thinking.
Go Noynoy FTW! Kung walang corrupt, walang mahirap! Mabuhay si Noynoy! Noynoy-Mar ako! Wooohooo!
*sarcastic smile 😀 *
I want to post this and the source above to Gibo’s, and most especially Gordon’s page and be more aggresive in the fight.. We already have those oligarches far long enough, especially the yellow guy.
Thanks bokyo!
[i]Noynoy is consulting with Magical beings to make him and his party Win![/i]
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This can’t go on! [i]… GREAT! Were back in the 80s![/i]
Maybe it’s like the 1940s… when Hitler consulted astrologists to help him win back the advantage lost in the latter part of WW2…
Nepotism talaga nga naman oh. Grabe, during 1986, the regime that they ousted was full of cronies and infested with nepotism. Now, they’re doing the same thing. WTH.
And ano ba, 1,800 is how much of 50 M? I don’t care if others call that random sampling, are we sure na random sampling ba ginagawa nila? Kasi pwedeng they can ask 1, 800 people on places with similar backgrounds, or worse, on the same place talaga. Random sampling is picking different people with different backgrounds, such as age, social status, educational background, etc.
Thus in the advent of an expose of THE TRUTH about the Noynoy campaign, the bias of the Philippine Media, and the ha-ha “scholasticism” of so-called “survey” firms like Pulse Asia and the SWS, Noynoy supporters and chronic point missers are now reduced to quibbling about inconsequential details. 😀
Look who’s laughing
all the way to the bank…
Got this from the Gordon-Bayani 2010 fan page:
“PLEASE PASS- FROM ABBEY CANTURIAS- MANAGING DIRECTOR, CAMPAIGNS AND IMAGES GROUP, who conducted the INDEPENDENT survey on our presidential elections 2010, commissioned by US and UK multinationals with business interests in the Philippines!
—– Original Message —–
From: Abbey Canturias
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:16 PM
Subject: A Simple Gift To Set You Free
Dear Becky,
We don’t share our survey to candidates. But they may subscribe, with an express request, subject to permissions of our principals.
But, in the interest of objectivity and the people’s right to know, we give away copies for free to selected men and women who deserved freedom from the lie. Supposedly it’s not. A subscription copy normally costs $1,240 per survey.
The content confirmation we gave on the copy featured in Ms. Celdran’s Facebook account was meant for the local copy sent to a diplomat (in Manila) from whom we tracked three leaks in the last two days.
Be that as it may, far be it from our control, our surveys are not meant for publicity; they’re mainly for foreign business outside the Philippines looking in and preparing for policy changes in case a strong, potential winner emerges in the campaign homestretch.
Whoever wins the campaign and by what means—that is not our business.
Our responsibility is to find out who the likely winner will be so that we can brief our clients, even this early, on the policy regimen of the Philippines weeks before GMA steps down in June and few days before a new president is sworn in.
Hope you indeed found it useful. That was not a leak. We’re giving this away gratis so you will know how SWS and Pulse Asia have dealt this country a shameful disservice.
They’re not polling; they’re mentally preconditioning people’s choices toward a bandwagon effect—-in favor of those who pay: their sponsors. I find that filthy practice very nauseating and revolting!
The way we crunch data, our multi-stage statistical sampling methods, simple math, and down-to-earth analyses—they are meant to show what a true, honest, factual survey should be. Believe me, any one who has basic algebra, physics, and geometry can do a survey the way we do.
A survey is not a complicated science that SWS and Pulse Asia made us all believe. They did so to add public wonderment and sophistication to their despicable trade.
In top-grade political surveys, you don’t ask a respondent whether he’s masa (CD) or middle class (B) or elite (A). That’s taboo in our culture, isn’t it?
If that is the case, the use of the ABCD classification is supposedly suspect, shallow, and misleading. Political research is not a household income survey for an economic progress measurement. It is supposedly a yardstick of preference and the reasons behind it.
You could choose to test yourself with this: Try asking person in the street if he is A, B, C, or D and you will be taken for a fool, if not avoided.
We just wonder why every one that Pulse Asia or SWS asked about “economic class-related questions” seems to relish it all these years.
Income is a sensitive cultural topic among Pinoys; it’s unmentionable. Even my wife does not know exactly how big I make on a good month and how small on a lean one. And yet our pollsters made it appear so downright easy.
Honestly, all that has to be confirmed in a political survey is the accurate voter registration of the respondent, his age, belongingness to an economic sector, and his preference.
You should at least be able to note “why” he decides so and “think” of the atmosphere across which he is making a choice (for example, corruption in Malacanang; Erap as a convicted criminal; Noynoy making PhP 1.2 billion from security contracts with GOCC and large import/export companies six years the whole time when Cory was president, among others.)
Now that you understand, the gullibles among Filipinos will be one person less tonight than it was yesterday.
Congratulations. You’ve just been freed from the lie! Feel free to share to others.
Best regards,
Abbey”
Wow usi
This is explosive stuff. Please share this blog to everyone you know. The Filipino people have the right to know before the election. There is still time to disseminate the truth.
🙂
@usi
this is so true… the fact that the results of the surveys of SWS and Pulse Asia are broadcast / published means that the a-holes who have commissioned the research are desperate to sway/influence political perceptions and behaviour of the madlang bobong pinoy. methodologies, instruments, sampling, population and framework can always be questioned by anyone… even a cigarette vendor has an inalienable right to doubt these PhDiyish academic jargons. These are just METHODS.. not LAWS…
@Ilda
article is a good find…. and yes madame… I WILL SPREAD THE WORD… let thy will be done… hehehehe…
Uh-huh. Eh kung sample ballot, dapat kasama yung iba pang kandidato. But based from what I’ve heard and read from people who was asked to do the survey, in the last part of the survey, it all boils down to NA and MV. Isn’t that atrocious? You’d be the judge.
SWS and Pulse Asia are also profit-driven companies; they’ll conduct a survey if they’re commissioned to do so. If they want to prove to people that their surveys are valid and verified, they can inform us thru mass media on what are the questions, methodologies, calculations, etc.
Lastly, think about it: are you willing to vote for someone that is leading on surveys although he’s dumb and incompetent to some extent? I think most of the wise ones will answer no; surveys are meant for those who don’t think and can be easily manipulated.
This reply is intended for Pinay Goddess, btw.
@ oceanofred
What i meant by sample ballot- one similar to the ballot that will be used on election day. So all candidates as listed by Comelec are included among the choices.
Please check the firm’s website for your other inquiries.
If you ask me, as i’ve said earlier, i won’t vote for a candidate who is less competent and has not accomplished much in terms of governance work, as i’ve done.
It would be nice reading comments based on facts and validated by actual experience, and not from hearsay or assumption.
Aray ko po naman. Nagbabasa ka ba talaga? Ito sinabi ko:
“Eh kung sample ballot, dapat kasama yung iba pang kandidato”
Tapos ito sinabi mo:
“What i meant by sample ballot- one similar to the ballot that will be used on election day. ”
D-U-H. That’s what I’m trying to point out eh. You’re saying na sample ballot ang ginamit? Eh bakit sa mga natanong ko na na-survey, they said they weren’t asked to use a sample ballot?
I believe someone should file a bill to ban publishing survey results in the 2013 Elections. Surveys should only be used in private by those who commissioned them to guide them on their campaign strategies.
These survey companies have no right to condition or mislead peoples’ decision. Practically, these are entities with business interest and they cannot survive without someone funding them. Their existence is primarily for profit.
If i remember right, in 2001 the SC has issued a ruling on the issue in favor of survey firms publishing survey results. Gotta check details.
And SWS is proudly displaying it on their website. Chances are naimpluwensiyahan din ng Kamag-Anak Inc yung SC desisyon na yan. Sabi nga, surveys should be for private interests, not for the public release. Si SWS Mangahas mismo nagsabi yan. Ba’t lintik pa eh ipaparelease sa publiko yan? Maluluto talaga ang laban with public release of survey results, ma-cocondition talaga ang mga tao! Tama, ban public release of survey results. Have that 2001 Supreme Court decision overturned.
no evidence that noynoy is manipulating the survey
just because kamag-anak lang nya taga pulse and sws? come’on guys! ang babaw naman nun?
sino ba ang walang kamag anak sa pinas? even gordon and bayani have a lot of kamag-anaks in power… because they cant let go of marikina and olongapo…
Naman. Ang babaw din ng dahilan mo. You know the concept of conflict of interest? That’s what Anti-Pinoy show here. Ano ba, wag naman maging eng-eng sa logic. Please.
conflict of interest??? ang layo ng connections… sadyang pinipilit pagdugtungin
wala lang magawa ang gordon-bayani fans…
sila ang anti pinoy… walang alam kundi manira… hay ewan
Kasi ganito yan ha.
May kamag-anak and allies si Noynoy sa Pulse Asia. Ngayon, they do make surveys that are election-related knowing fully well that Noynoy is part of the Presidential race. Diba dapat hindi na sila nakikisawsaw dyan? Isipin mo, bakit sa gobyerno bawal makipag-deal ang isang opisyal sa isang kompanya na alam na may kamag-anak o kaibigan doon. Ganyan yung gustong ipakita nung post. And uh-oh, hindi naninira ang Anti-Pinoy, ang kandidato mismo ang naninira sa sarili niyang reputasyon, kasalanan ba na makita at ipahayag ang mga anomalya na nangyayari?
@luis: i agree w/ oceanofred. obviously, you do not know of Kamag-Anak Inc., what they did and what they are capable of doing again. sana alamin mo muna kung sino sila at bakit kamuhi-muhi sila. mukhang na-mistake mo ang Kamag-Anak Inc. to be equivalent to ‘political dynasties’–hindi po. ibang level ang pagkagahaman ng mga ito.
You have not heard of the atrocities that occurred during Cory’s time then. Dun nga nacoin ang term na “Kamag-anak, Inc.” eh, from Cory’s administration. Trust me, if you’d learn more of the Cojuangco-Aquino oligarchy, you’d realize how they put their family first before others. Long, long before Cory took the reins of the presidency, ganun na sila. There are a lot of books concerning the topic, by the way. Try “Greed and Betrayal” by Cecilio T. Arillo, and the Hacienda Luisita series of Stephanie Dychiu.
It makes perfect sense to be honest with you, especially regarding how the zombie brained voters are going to react. I’ll be honest its rather hard to break the hold of propoganda until you see the situation in every logical angle and point of view. Besides if you were to defend them, what would your grounds be? I’d love to read them.
Are they vying for positions that they aren’t capable of holding? I’m not surprised if many of them ACTUALLY have proven their worth for it rather than that century long Aquino-Cojuangco line that has existed. Oh but you must know about that if you DO KNOW what we are talking about.
Yang survey na yan ay pang JOLOGS. Mangahas is just holding on to his PhD pero maraming raket yang lintek na SWS na yan sa katawan. Una… yang sinasabing sayantipik survey ay HINDI TALAGA SAYANTIPIK.
Baket… Dahil yang STATISTICAL METHOD to define the sample size of a given population is scientific because statisticians during the time it’s been formulated DO NOT HAVE THE LUXURY OF COMPUTERS…
Pangalawa… after defining the sample size… IT IS ALREADY PURPOSIVE… YANG SELECTION NG AREAS of RESEARCH ay DEPENDENT SA PUMIPILI dahil MARAMI DAW DUN sa AREA na yun… o iba pang parameters ng PAGPILI…
Pangatlo dahil mga lintek na PhD ang mga gumagawa nyang survey na yan… di nangangahulugang dapat ang methodology at mga research instruments nila AY maging STANDARDS o TAMA dahil may PhD sila!!! laging up for contention dapat yan.
Panglima… ITO AY PERCEPTION RESEARCH… ON A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT… Ibig sabihin nun mamaya pwedeng si Amay Bisaya ang gusto ko… bukas si Imelda Papin at next week si Elizabeth Ramsey… Ang persepsyon ng tao ay nagbabago din sa klima… pwedeng pag mainit nung nagtatanong ang mga researchers ni Mangahas sa mga Key Informants… kaya paypay ng paypay at nung panahon na tinatanong yang respondent… type nya si Noynoy kasi MAHANGING masyado at mayabang.
Panganim… yang SWS survey na yan AY BINABAYARAN ng grupo o indibidual na gustong magpa survey… ang DESIRED OUTPUT ay DAAAAPAAAT na FAVORABLE SA MGA NAGBABAYAD. Sira ulo ang magpapagawa ng research at ipapalimbag nya sa national tabloids na hindi FAVORABLE sa kanya…. SINO ANG NAGBABAYAD?
Pangpito… SWS is hiding in the guise of an NGO… a non-profit, non-stock blah blah blah… atsuuu … titi ninyo.
Pangwalo… Kung between 2,500 to 3,000 ang sample size ng mga 52 million voters… you need x number of field researchers para madeploy sa mga areas na sinasabi ninyong sayantipik… hehehehe… daming researchers nyan… maraming i e encode… maraming oras na gugulin… ang lumabas kahapon… ay resulta ng isa hanggang dalawang buwan na DATA GATHERING…
Pangsyam… DAHIL mga mangmang, manhid ang otsenta porsyento ng Filipino population… mabilis silang mauto ng mga lintek na PhD na yan.
Pangsampu… Dahil nung panahon nga ni Corazon Cojuangco Aquino… the dead mother of Abnoy Aquino nagsimula yang political survey na yan… kung ang isang taong may UTAK na matino… hindi sya maniniwala sa mga SABI SABI ng ALANG KA KWENTA KWENTANG SURVEYS na yan…
sabi nila… ANG TAONG NANINIWALA SA SABISABI… WALANG BAIT SA SARILI!!!
Hymen… I rest my case.
BASTA AKO NAIINGGIT SA MGA TINANONG NA!!! KASE LABING LIMANG TAON NA KO NAKATIRA SAMEN WALA PA RING NAGTATANONG!!
The PhDs have justified the “scientificness” of the formula that computes for the number of samples of a given population. Kundi ba naman idahilan ng isang professor ko… MAG ISTATISTICS KA!!! Lintek… meron tayong 49,000 barranggay… 52,000,000 voters… 7,101 islands… ANG number of samples for a population of 52M ay around 3K… tapos sila ang bahalang mag select ng AREAS kung saan sila mag kokondak ng research…. GINAGAGO PALA TAYO NYANG SURVEY NI MANGAHAS NA YAN EH…
Kaya ang tawag dun kay Mangahas ay Mang Ahas… Mr. Snake… talagang snake in the grass kung mag-operate, hehehe.
Thanks for the post. This is a significant breakthrough. Let us all unite and pass this information to everyone…I mean it…EVERYBODY… 10 days to go. PASS IT ON to FACEBOOK, TWITTER, MEDIA, BOTOMO-PATROL KO, FRIENDS, FAMILY, VILLAR’S SUPPORTERS, ERAP’S SUPPORTERS, AND ESPECALLY ALL NOYNOY’S SUPPORTERS. LET US ALL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. This election will be a turning point of our country either for progress or worse being ran by the Kamaganak Inc.
go to http://www.2010presidentiables.wordpress.com.
this website embraced the website they are married to it and esp. moderator is a proNOynoy supporter. I recently been ban posting on that website for speaking the truth…..
correction: this website the survey like they are married to it. esp the moderator who is a Pro NOYNOY supporter. I recently been banned posting on the website for speaking the truth!—–sorry for the typo.
UHmm… this question is kinda out of the box..
So do you believe INC wont vote for Noynoy? I have many friends who are iglesias.. some hate noynoy as well.. as for the others i dont know.. but i dont know any INC who’s a noynoy supporter..
That’s a good question. There is no way the INC will take the Aquinos. In the early 1960s, there was an incident between Ninoy Aquino’s private armies and brethren of the INC living in Hacienda Luisita. The leader of the Church was forced to move them out. Up to this day, it created a bitter memories. It comes down to Gordon, Villar, or Gibo…. they will announce there endorsement in the next few days. If you think about it. It will make a huge difference whom they will support. The PDI had claimed that they only consist of 2 million members. One would think twice, the INC had been around since 1914 and it has already spread to 88 countries. Out of 50 million registered voters, we can only use our own imagination.
I would be surprised if they generate 2 million votes. A substantial number, certainly; but 2 million seems high.
Are we referring to the same thing? Im referring to the Pulse Asia questionnaire which included all candidates as listed in the Comelec ballot.
My last comment is in response to oceanofred.
Yeah. you just don’t read.
conflict of interest??? saan? baka nga tayo magkamag-anak eh…
ang lalayo naman nung connections…
sobrang pilit na pilit…
you know what, ang mga eng eng mga gordon-bayani fans…
wala lang magawa ang gordon-bayani fans….
crab mentality nga naman…
kahit sino pa ang leading… ganyan nyo pa rin tra-tratuhin
tanga! di mo alam ang pinagdadaldal mo. hindi porke survey TAMA! hindi porke sinabi ng dyaryo at survey na leading PANALO NA si Abnoy. syam na araw pa ang eleksyon. ang sinasabi lang dito… dahil QUESTIONABLE ang character ng gumagawa ng survey at ang paraan ng pag susurvey dapat di mo basehan ang SURVEY sa pagboto mo…
Ang pagbasihan mo ay yung karakter ng tao. Sa kanyang kakayahang mamuno na ang pwede mong maging basehan ay yang kanyang mga nagawa. Ba’t di mo na lang iboto si Amay Bisaya kesa kay Noynoy Abnoy. Buti pa yun laging andun sa KBL… kasal binyag libing… nag bubuhat pa ng ataul. Buti pa si Lito Lapid may ginawa sa senado… si abnoy natutulog at nagyoyosi lang… ayun kaya nakakalbo.
Pwede ba… according to the survey of my barbero… ang leading sa kanyang daliri sa kamay at paa na bitakbitak ay si Erap pa rin. Wala namang kaibahan ang survey ng barbero ko at ni Mahar Mangahas a… mas accurate pa nga yung sa barbero ko kasi mga nagpapakalbo sa kanya yun. Buti pa brod ganeto… sabihin mo kay Abnoy dun magpagupit… tangalin na lang nya yung natitirang buhok sa napapanot nyang ulo. Tamang tama… may libre syang yosi… sigarilyong HOPE.. yung nakakakulangot. Pwede pa silang mag leps to leps… pareho silang amoy nikotin… hehehe.
another lousy point of view… another desperate loser… tsk tsk tsk… SAD, really SAD!
yada yada yada… Abnoy’s L sign stands for LOSERS….
mwahahaha! talagang hindi alam ni luis sino at ano ang pinaggagawa ng Kamag-Anak Inc. hahahaha! wawang bata.. 😀 (pero damay tayo sa pagkaignorante nya pag nanalo si Noynoy…hay…!!!)
Use logic to fight logic, not raw emotion. You’d get far trying to get your point across then. Please, post your basis for a defense regarding this if you are passionate about this.
I know this is a post of some weeks ago at ngayon lang ako nagrereply…
pero luis, rich people usually put their family first because of, well, the money and the connections (not to mention their secrets). Rich families are almost always bound by their businesses. And besides, the Cojuangcos and Lopas are thisclose na lahat sila magkakakilala, ultimo yung apo sa tuhod at kabit ni ganyan. I have no say about Gibo though, pero I assure you, the Lopas are pro-Noynoy to the core and it wouldn’t be a surprise if the surveys have been compromised simply because they are relatives.
sorry to say this… but this site is just so lame…
a friend forwarded this link from facebook…
and after reading the comments, posts etc on this so called anti-pinoy…
it’s just so funny… it’s anti ninoy… hahahaha
so you all believe the surveys kaya kayo ganyan…
if erap is leading the survey… this sight may be ani erap… hahahaha
now i get your objective….
ok… it’s now time to do anti-anti-pinoy website
hahahaha
lame creators!
if erap is leading the surveys… it will be anti erap
if gibo is leading the surveys… it will be anti gibo
kawawang noynoy… just because he is leading…
and people believe it… so they came up with this wonderful website…
great!
Read between the lines dude. We’re against the people who mess up the country. And those are not us.
yeah, i get it… if noynoy’s survey ratings is below 5%… would this website ever exist?
sorry, but what i see is…
anti pinoy is nothing but anti noynoy
pers op ol… dis website is not defendent on surveys. that is a rong promise. da existance of da website is dependent on the existence of stupid fifol in da piripins… hehehe… galing ng logic mo brod!!! hanepik!!!
si luis nabulagan na ng paghanga kay noynoy kaya walang panahon para tingnan man lang (pinaka-basic!) ang “About Anti-Pinoy” na page para malaman nya kelan at bakit naisagawa itong website na ito. mukhang ngayon ka lang nakapag-internet, brod, kaya kahit ‘About Us’ o ‘Archive’ hindi mo alam na pwedeng puntahan pala para tingnan muna kung tama ang hinala mong UBOD NG MALI! nyahahahaha! (nakakatawa pero nakakalungkot kasi idadamay mo kami sa kabobohan mo pag nanalo si Noynoy!!)
pucha me pa lame lame ka pang nalalaman ha… hehehe… ganire… brod… mag email ka kay bongV… tanungin mo kung kelan sya merong oras para maki pag chat sa ‘yo para ma explain kung ano ang objective ng website… tapos i text mo si Chino… at makipag textmate ka… mag pa brief ka na rin sa kanya… at manghingi ka ng tsampoy na galing singapore… hehehe…
I bet etong article lang nabasa mo kaya nasabi mong anti-Noynoy ang website. Magexplore ka muna, tapos saka mo balikan kung talagang anti-Noynoy (or pro-Gordon sabi ng iba) ang Anti-Pinoy.
Check the tagline. Who really is the Anti-Pinoy? 😀
Funny, when Villar was leading in the polls early during campaign period, Noynoy complained and said that these surveys can be bought in Quiapo.
Now that he’s winning, he’s acting like they are prophetic! See how your logic is flawed?
Would noynoy ever let THAT happen? Seriously, are you living the same Philippines as I am? Or did the rugby get to your head early during your disillusioned youth?
Besides the site also covered the Adam carolla pinoy idiocy on facebook as well. Too bad you weren’t part of that.
the author is obviously not a fan of nonoy… hence, anything and everything that is favourable to nonoy’s presidential bid is considered a sham…
i bet that if the survey results show her candidate in the lead, then she will have no qualms about proclaiming it as bible truth regardless if it was done by SWS or Pulse Asia…
suck it up, girl… you are better off campaigning for your candidate without resorting to black propaganda and mudslinging… it only shows how desperate and lowly you can get… that’s the sad truth… i pity you!
and you are obviously a fan of Abnoy…
if it is a fact that puts noynoy in the imburnal… it is black propaganda… wala na ba kayong sasabihin kundi black propaganda… GASGAS na yan!!! nasosobrahan ka ata ng inom ng black gulaman. ma iimpatso ka nyan…
mas naawa ako sa yo dahil kung si LITO LAPID ay nagpumilit na gumawa kahit isang BATAS sa senado… si Abnoy walang naipasa ni isa… tsk tsk tsk tsk… bakit mo ba iboboto si Abnoy? DAHIL LEADING SA SURVEY? bwahahahaha…
Uy, at useful din yung batas na naipasa na main author is Lito Lapid. Co-author nya si Chiz.
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=545127
Black propaganda… e kampo ni Noynoy ang nag-umpisa yan!
“If you don’t vote Noynoy, Villar will win and the country will go to hell…”
Hello? Hindi yan Black Prop? Hello, may utak ba dito?
Yun nga yung nakakaasar eh. Even though I will not vote for Villar, I have to agree to what he said last night in Bandila’s Hot Seat. Bakit daw pag galing kay Noynoy, katotohanan, eh pag galing kay Villar, black propaganda daw.
I also saw the Villar Hotseat session last night. I loved that he said that about the black propaganda. I also saw why Gordon will be better than Villar as president. Si Villar pumepreno pa magsalita, maingat kahit paano. Gordon will tell the people how it is, walang palamuti.
Too bad mas gusto ng tao ang palamuti.
Sh*t wrapped in good foil will still be sh*t. It may be better to look at but it will still be sh*t. Yan ang direction na pinapupuntahan ng Pinas ngayon kung totoo man ang surveys na yan. Yellow ribbon wrapped sh*t.
@warrior: so inaamin mong nakaka-brainwash talaga ng voters ang resulta nung surveys kaya ‘favourable to noynoy’s presidential bid’? 😀
@warrior
Obvious ba, kung favourable yung surveys sa ibang candidates na hinde kamag-anak nung may-ari ng polling firms, hinde talaga questionable yung results. Kaya nga may issue kasi kamag-anak at kaibigan na nga ni Noynoy yung may-ari nung polling firms, tapos sya pa yung nasa top nung surveys. Hinde ka ba mag-tataka? And then they quickly publish the results sa newpapers owned by members of the kamag-anak inc, with their own interpretation.
Sinagot mo yung sarili mo 🙂
another loser! tsk tsk tsk… SAD really SAD!
naks… me pa LOSER LOSER ka pa… dahil lang pala sa sa alang ka kwenta kwentang survey kaya ka boboto kay Abnoy…
BTW… THE L SIGN OF NOYNOY STANDS FOR LOSERS LIKE YOU!!!! wooooooooooo… you suck it up!!! you either stick that L sign on your nose… or stick it on your a s s…
If you vote for Noynoy just because he is either the son of cory and ninoy, or because he is “leading” the surveys, then you my friend have failed to use your brain.
If Noynoy wins and fails as president (and he will I promise you that) then you and your moron co-“fans” complain, then you have just plain failed. Good luck? Will this country ever stop producing failures? Seems it won’t because the failures continue to put bigger, richer failures in power.
@warrior: if noynoy wins, we all lose. 😉 at isa ka sa may kasalanan nun pag iboboto mo sya in spite of his PROVEN underachievement.
@warrior, if you really think hard, you would come up with the conclusion that Gordon is the best person who can lead this country. But if you have exerted enough effort in thinking and still came up with NOy2x, then your thinking is flawed.
Maybe you can give us reasons why we should vote for Noy2x instead… And don’t BS with him “Fighting Corruption” because his 12 years as a Legislature with a big 0 law is in itself a corruption already because he is rubbing off people’s taxes with his pay and he is not doing his job.
I think of Philippines as my big company, I would never hire a slacker to run it.
not really corruption, but still a waste of money :))
So bale, aside from the SWS & Pulse Asia, Where Aquino topped the surveys…kamag-anak din nya? kahit yung mga mock polls na ginagawa sa mga government offices?
I don’t think so, but who knows? Perhaps, it is the result of the bandwagon effect caused by the two polling firms? It could also be some other reason. We will never know. One thing’s for sure, though. Noynoy will win the elections. (Unfortunately.) Whether we like it or not, surveys have accurately predicted the outcomes of the elections (though my theory to such is that the surveys played a major influence in creating that outcome, i.e. bandwagon effect, etc).
I do hope that more polling firms would be established to publish different survey results, so the public will be able to think more… or screw surveys altogether!
I already explained all this, but what it comes down to is the sole purpose of publishing the results of any marketing survey (which is all this really is) is to influence consumer behavior. That works the same way whether it’s in this country or somewhere else. Therefore, the survey companies and the media are participating in the exercise of influencing consumer behavior, i.e. voter opinions. It’s fine if the candidates and the campaign organizations are doing it, and it’s even okay if the media is reporting when the candidates publicize the information, so long as they attribute it as such and not report it as an absolute. That’s where the problem is.
You don’t like it, you can vote with your remote and with your wallet: boycott the offending TV and radio broadcasters, change the channel, switch them off, don’t patronize their advertisers, nor businesses that use the services of the survey companies.
Just a suggestion.
Thanks, BenK. I happen to agree with you. I think surveys are fine, as long as the population is educated, like the the people in the US, for example. They have the ability to think on their own. This is, sadly, not the same here. Democracy works best only if the people know how to choose properly. After all, choice is the main purpose of democracy, am I right? But this is not the case. We have an underachiever and a convicted plunderer topping the polls. If only our people are educated like the students in UP, we would have Gordon and Gibo topping the polls. But sigh… Pinas talaga.
* Gordon and Gibo are No. 1 and No. 2 in the 2nd round of UP Botong Isko mock elections, while Bayani and Mar are No. 1 and No. 2 in the vice presidential portion.
Think about it: what is the purpose of publicizing the results of pre-election surveys? Most people would probably say, “Well, it’s news, we can know who is ahead in the race.” Why do you need that information at some point prior to the counting of actual votes? What use do you (as a voter) intend to put that information to?
If you are exercising your choice as a voter, making up your own mind, why do you even need to know what everyone else thinks?
@ronald: ang problema pina-publicize lang ng media giants natin yung surveys kung saan si Noynoy ang nag-lead. pero surveys na olats sya, hindi bino-broadcast.
gaya ng sinabi ni TheArch, dalawang rounds na ng UP mock polls ang natapos. consistent na no.1 si Gordon, followed by Gibo. naging matunog ba sa news? hindi.
By the way, this certain professor you are talking about is executive director of StratPOLLS. Their last survey can be found here: http://www.stratpolls.webs.com/index.htm
Hmm. I wonder how they do these surveys. By phone? In person? (or a made-up fantasy?)
I work for a Market Research company and when there’s an upcoming election (which usually happens in Canada, whenever the Members of Parliament complain about the current Prime Minister), surveys are done by these research companies wherein they make cold calls to Canadians all across the country. This is random sampling, and all the agents do is to call these people and ask them who they want as the next Prime Minister. Simple as that.
Funny thing is, survey results aren’t really that important here, and the campaign period isn’t that dirty (literally and figuratively) compared to Pinas, after experiencing the Canadian elections in 2008.
(and I have just proclaimed to the world (dahil ganyan kadami ang readers/ followers ng AP) that I live in Canada. but hey, who cares? I just wanted to set an example. napa-isip ako bigla sa mga serbey na yan e.)
well, ya its Canada. parliament isn’t exactly dirty about their tactics since the country isn’t as run down as pinas and its citizens aren’t mindless idiots who think elections are based on popularity. The people must have a good idea on who they support and expect complete things out of the person they put in power. BTW this is coming from a guy who is educated on the electoral process of your neighboring country down south.
Exactly. Because I’ve been living here for quite some time now my home country’s flaws are getting clearer in my eyes everyday. And this is why I became an AP (or starting to, as I’ve just recently discovered this site).
Nothing will. Sorry, kala mo mco-convince mo ang mga tao? Hay nako, hwag ka mag-alala, napansin naman itong article mo eh, pero, ulitin ko lang, NOTHING WILL. Gawin mo na best mo, may ilang araw pang natitira para masabi niyo lahat ng pwedeng sabihin against noynoy, baka mag-bago isip ng mga tao at huwag siyang iboto, malay mo.
Nagtataka ko baket NOTHING WILL? Kase ano?? Ha? Ano? =))
@Felz: mahina si Noynoy sa ibang bahagi ng Pinas 😉
True. Sa NCR lang siya namamayagpag, totoo yan. 🙂
This is kind of like how a dog with a bone behaves. 😀
Or a brown Pinay who just got her whitening cream too. 😛
Felz…
Yang mga close minded sa mga prophetic statements nila Noynoy at handlers nya ay wala nang pag-asang magpalit pa ng iboboto nila. Sana kung magkakaroon ulit ng election i educate ninyo ang sarili ninyo kung paano ang tamang pagpili ng kandidato….
Una dahil hindi nanalo sa survey…
Pangalawa… tingnan ang accomplishments… mula sa academic endeavors nya… professional engagements… kasama na dyan ang mga ginawa sa hinawakan nyang upisina o ahensya ng gobyerno…
Pangatlo… pag-aralan ang character ng tao… kung saan sya tumatayo sa mga issues nung nanunungkulan sya sa exective, legislative at judicial branch ng gubyerno…
Si noynoy… bagksak sa accomplishment… walang nailimbag na batas sa loob ng syam na taon bilang mambabatas… buti pa si Lito Lapid may nagawa na isa… si Noynoy… bokya.
Si noynoy… di kumikilos o tumugon man lamang sa mga hinanahing ng magsasaka ukol sa pagkakaroon ng sarili nilang lupa…. dapat sana yang mga magsasaka ng Hacienda Luisita ay naipamahagi pero imbis na ginawa ‘to… pinagbabaril at pinagpapatay sila… HINAYAAN lamang nya ang pangyayaring yan na walang DEFINITE STAND SA ISSUE NG LAND REFORM and ATROCITIES DONE TO THE FARMERS… Wala din syang positive na CIVIC PROGRAMS na ginagawa… LAHAT NG NABABASA SA DYARYO AY PURO SUGAR COATING…
Ngayon… these are not statements against Noynoy but JUST STATEMENTS OF FACT… IT is NOT EVEN BLACK PROPAGANDA!!! Analyze these facts… maraming NEUTRAL SOURCES sa internent ng mga yan….
BTW… ang isang accomplishment ni noynoy ay mag-lead lamang sa survey… yun lang… wala nang iba… wala namang nag de deny sa kampo ni noynoy na hindi nangyari ang mga sinasabing yan eh… puro sinasabi black propaganda… AGAINST NOYNOY… KUNG DI TOTOO YANG MGA YAN… ALL HE NEEDS TO DO IS TO DENY THEM…
Eh nothing will eh, choice ko iyon, bakit? Natawa naman ako sayo. Manipulated man ang surveys or hindi, my choice is my choice, hindi ko na kailangan i-explain sayo. I do personal surveys, sa mga colleagues, some neighbors, friends, sa soro, and former classmates, most are for noynoy, some for gibo and gordon. Sa akin, nothing will, not even this article.
Tanong ko, why Noy? Answer me in a very logical manner. Give me facts, don’t give me BS answers.
Alam mo Felz, tanggap na namin na you are supporting Noynoy kahit na alam mong hinde na logical yung reasons sa bagboto mo sa kanya.
Ang purpose ng blog na ito ay para sa mga undecided voters. Para ito duon sa mga nag-sasabi na “Pero, according to the survey, popular daw si Noy.” In short, para sa mga tamad mag-isip. So what kung popular si Noy? He is not the best and the brightest. Kung good guy talaga si Noynoy, how come his supporters do not emulate his traits? Where’s the humility in his supporters? I don’t see it.
Hinde natin kailangan ng nagpapakabait-baitan para umasenso. Ang kailangan natin ay someone who will motivate us to do the right thing. Someone who is not afraid to tell us what needs to be done. Hindi yung pa-pitsi-pitsi. Gets mo? 🙂
@Felz: kung ayaw mo maliwanagan kaya ayaw mo i-discuss yung rason mo for choosing Noynoy, pride yan. maling klase ng pride, hindi makakatulong sa pag-unlad ng bansa natin.
Felz, if you are resigned to that they you better be ready to participate when the leader you voted in starts doing things you did NOT EXPECT of him to do for the country. That he’s doing things that weren’t your basis of why you chose him as a candidate to begin with.
When that time comes, you better not regret your actions. And count the years too. 6 of those with the guy whom you elected and each day of those 6 years, you better damn smile and say nothing bad about what you did. AT ALL.
@Felz, di ko naman kailangan maging Diyos para makita yan eh. Simple observation will do. Oh and to answer your question on how I got those answers, I asked people who were asked in surveys, simple as that.
PS: If I’m pathetic, then what kind are you? A retard?
@FELZ, bakit nga si Noynoy ang iboboto mo? bakit siya ang choice mo? Di ka makasagot no.??
Kasi walang dahilan para iboto siya.. Kasi wala pa siyang nagagawa.. 12 years nakaupo, walang nagawa. Invalid ang sagot mo na “choice” mo eh! With all due respect, I’d like to know..
Don’t be giving me “mama and papa” relations. As far as I’m concerned , Noynoy is the biggest failure of the Philippines waiting to happen. It’s confirmed. Natatakot ako para sa bansa natin pag nanalo si Noynoy.
Noynoy supporters are IDIOTS.IGNORANT.UNINFORMED.UNEDUCATED,PAID PEOPLE.
SAD but TRUE.
Isama mo pa si KRIS AQUINO. Mula’t mula napakababaw magisip.
Totoo pala ang news na may mental illness si Noynoy Aquino..
Kaya siguro pati mga anak ni KRIS AQUINO may sapak sa utak.. Magkapatid nga sila. 🙂
ROBROB,
I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you. Expect questions directed at a Noynoy supporter to be left unanswered or worse, be responded with one liners and with exclamations points saying: noynoy is the logical choice… PERIOD!
🙂
noynoy is the logical choice… PERIOD!
Please enumerate your logical reasons (kung meron) …
If it was a logical choice, then why are you shutting out logical inquiry into your assertion?
Of course that statement above would simply fly over the head of a Noynoy supporter such as yourself. 😀
>implying that luis reads and understands logical statements
Why bother?
Consistent talaga ang mga Noynoy supporters sa kanilang justification in voting for Noy: Wala lang, basta lang…PERIOD! 🙂
These “surveys” are but another of many examples of the way Pinoys pervert otherwise useful or benign tools. Here’s what I wrote a while back when the Media were trumpetting what at the time was a Pulse Asia “survey” finding that Noynoy had a 44% expected vote:
Too bad, Mr Mangahas and all the other Kamaganak Inc board members of Pulse and SWS. You may have all the disclaimers in place to show that you merely do these “surveys” subject to the instructions of those who commission them. But who really cares about that token propriety in the way you conduct business? This is the Philippines — where perception trumps propriety any day. Unfair that you get your good name branded as a minion of Kamaganak Inc on the basis of said perception? Well, tough luck. You should have thought about that before you went into bed with ABS-CBN and the Inquirer in this instance. 😀
OWNAGE! haha i really feel sorry for noynoy supporters.. =(
“The Bagumbayan Party presidential candidate Sen. Richard Gordon would always correct anyone wishing him “good luck” after posing for photos with him or listening to him speak.
He would tell them: “I don’t believe in luck.”
Instead, he would ask people to say, “God bless.” Or to wish him instead, “Good Skill.”
Yep! DICK GORDON KNOWS HIS ENGLISH VERY WELL. Idyot peryodistas don’t. See, winning Malacanang is not about LUCK! GOOD LUCK! It is about Oro-Plata-pa-Porma! It is about issues. About fixing things. NOT ABOUT LUCK! IT IS ALL ABOUT SKILLS!
Dude! GORDON IS GOOT! PREP BY RENAT0.
“Gordon was initially defiant when the Commission on Elections last March gave notice that some of his billboards were in violation of the Fair Elections Act, and asked that they be taken down.
The candidate said then he would not dismantle the billboards, explaining that they had been donated by supporters and had been put up without his knowledge.
As a lawyer, he said he believed that the Comelec notice “collides with the freedom of expression of our supporters.”
LOOKIT, Dick Gordon knows what he is talkin’ ’bout. COMELEC cannot order him to tear down the billboard because he didn’t put it up. COMELEC should talk to Gordon’s fans who put it up. STUPID IDIYOT MEDIA. THEY ARE ONLY GOOT IN POLITICAL ANAL-iSYS but EXTREMELY STUPID ON OTHER THINGS. See, political analysis doesn’t has NO LEG TO STAND ON. It is all based on gossips, tsismis, innuendoes. DUDE! IDIOCY OF FILIPINOS KNOWS NO END!
COMELEC should know who they are up against. Gordon&Renat0
THESE FILIPINO MEDIA has no boundary when it comes to stupidity and idiocy. They are telling Dick Gordon “Good Luck”!
It is like saiding to recently married couple “Good Luck!”.
PHILIPPINE MEDIA AND FILIPINOS’ BRAINS ARE EXTREMELY SUPERLATIVELY DEFECTIVE!!!!!! They thoughted their englischtzes is goot but saying “Good luck!”
SHEBAMETIMBAS!
his is Richard Gordon, presidential candidate, who spent his RockEd radio interview insulting the Cojuangcos of Tarlac, insinuating all manner of foul deeds. This is Gordon, straight shooter, offended at a caller’s curious question asking him if he thought the Cojuangcos were really corrupt. This is Gordon, presidential candidate, howling at his interviewer for calling him a coward for answering the question with an angry question. And so the best man for the job ripped into Erwin Romulo, UNO editor, RockEd member and Free Press publisher. “You’re just the son of Bert Romulo,” said the red-faced little man, forgetting the live webcam. “You’re nobody.”
HA!HA!HA!HA! Renat0’s words put in the mouth of idyot peryodistas!!!!!! Renat0’s posts here copied by idyot peryodistas! ROCK-ON DICK! ROCK-ON ANTIPINOYS!
Media people are afraid of Dick Gordon! NOT BY HIS Renat0-like-tantrums but because of Dick’s Renat0-like-intelligence. ABS-CBN, Villar and Benigno, Jr. even afraid to DEBATE HIM. Because Debating Dick is like debating Renat0 waste of time.
GO SMART! if you really are a smart person you will vote independent of all the surveys whether they are accurate or not.
it is the business of the polling firms to conduct their surveys following the procedures i am sure they have studied well. statistics after all is a field. they follow scientific formulas. if you dont have full comprehension of the science of it then dont simplify it like some ignorant fool. i happen to know some of the founders of these firms and they are pretty decent people.
for the unsatisfied disturbed souls, unite and make your own polls if you think you know everything.
for the really wise ones, just vote. for the dumb ass ones, TRY to vote wisely at the very least.
in the end, it all boils down to standing firm for what you believe in. don’t be swayed by either the perfect campaign or the propaganda. THINK!
i am wise,
What you said below is not so wise:
Are you serious? If you still don’t get the point here, blogger Benk said it best:
“From my point of view, the controversy surrounding the handling of opinion surveys as they relate to Noynoy Aquino simply illustrates a fundamental flaw in the public’s and the media’s understanding of what the surveys are supposed to do. Presumably, a political candidate and his campaign organization should make the same use of the surveys as anyone else who is engaged in marketing something: to determine the preferences and attitudes of the market in order to make their ‘product’ more appealing to that market, and as a basis for validating the quality or value of their product.
“If the information about the survey results was coming only from the camps of the various candidates, there would be nothing wrong at all with that; they could cherry-pick the results to their hearts’ content to put their candidates in the best light. The real problem is that pre-election survey results are not treated as advertising, or regarded as such by the potential customers – the voters – but are treated as news. The conflicts of interest lie in the participation of the media and the survey companies in the exercise. TO WHICH I ADD, ARE OWNED BY OLIGARCHS RELATED TO NOYNOY AQUINO.
“In similar fashion, the media routinely violates any sense of propriety by reporting survey results, because in doing so they are also working to influence consumer behavior, and doing so while hiding behind the fig leaf of respectability called “journalistic integrity.” Both the survey companies and the media, then, are abusing the public trust. Granting that trust, however, is within the power of the public, as is the choice of what inputs to use in making a decision to “buy” a candidate-product with their votes. Thus, if people understand that basing their vote on the publicized results of opinion surveys is allowing their behavior to be influenced by people whose main objective is to sell them a particular candidate, and they’re okay with that, there’s nothing anyone can or should do to stop them. If, however, the people are in the habit of basing their purchasing choices on different criteria – say, for instance, buying Sensodyne toothpaste because it makes their teeth feel better and not because someone else’s dentist said he recommends it – then they should vote accordingly. Remember this, though: democracy means “rule by the people,” which suggests a bit more involvement on the people’s part than “voting for whom they’re told to vote for.”
Did you get that? Noynoy being on top of the supposedly “reliable” surveys should not be front page news worthy. If his party subscribed to the polling firms, it should just be for their own use. What’s happening is that they are using it to tell people that they are already winning and Noynoy is already making statements that if the counting of the votes is accurate, he will be victorious. He is basing his assessment of his impending win on the surveys conducted by his family and friends. If the results of the polls are publicized, having more polling firms to compare it with would give people a better way of analyzing the data to be true. We cannot rely on just these two polling firms alone to say that Noynoy was cheated because the surveys they conducted were consistent that he has been on top.
to everyone in general,
“Thus, if people understand that basing their vote on the publicized results of opinion surveys is allowing their behavior to be influenced by people whose main objective is to sell them a particular candidate, and they’re okay with that, there’s nothing anyone can or should do to stop them. If, however, the people are in the habit of basing their purchasing choices on different criteria – say, for instance, buying Sensodyne toothpaste because it makes their teeth feel better and not because someone else’s dentist said he recommends it – then they should vote accordingly. Remember this, though: democracy means “rule by the people,” which suggests a bit more involvement on the people’s part than “voting for whom they’re told to vote for.”
right so.
then let people vote for who they want based on their own criteria. in the same fashion that people telling others to vote for noynoy just because he’s the son of 2 famous people, etc it’s disdainful also to tell them not to vote for him just because he is somehow related to the people conducting the polls wherein he is number one according to the results.
btw, i am not a noynoy fan so no need to lash out on my comment if that is a major consideration on lashing out on people’s comments here.
and i need not tell you who i am supporting too. that’s up to me if i decide to keep that within myself and the ballot folder on the elections
just a piece of advice peeps. if you want to campaign for someone, then do so. sell your candidates. there’s no law against over selling even in marketing. there is no perfect product.. as long as they all pass quality check, they all deserve space in the grocery shelves. let the consumers decide.do not tell them what to do or not to do regardless of whether they were influenced by consumerism.
do not badmouth. poisoning the well isn’t the solution. educate the undecided instead if you are so afraid of them being veered so easily.
and do not also belittle people based on their choices. i’m sure each candidate has his own fair share of supporters who are great thinkers and achievers.
sa mga taong ganun na lang magbrand ng abnoy retard etc. i wonder how you’ll handle such insults if any of your loved ones actually is.. just so you know too, some of those ‘retards’ achieve more than some more capable people.
discussion is always good. di lang talaga maiwasan na masingitan ng mga tao na masabi na lang kung ano gustong sabihin kahit hindi pinag iisipan.
i wondered why the site is called antipinoy. going back to the previous comments, it really is a misleading term. people will always tend to assume the obvious, not all people read the about us, etc. but i did read the hello world anyway to get to know you a bit better. and i agree to the mission and vision of the site.
but do you think refuting everybody’s opinion will lead to something. i hope you’re doing more than just blabber. a coach anyway just don’t scream. he trains his team.
mr owl,
i’m entitled to my premises just like you are..
do i have to have a philosophy degree to argue?
are you as wise as the owl in your profile pic?
if that’s how being anti-pinoy is to you well… i have no more argument. i hope this site generates the type of discussion you want. may they truly serve your love for the Philippines. good luck to fellow visitors.
@i am wise
You said:
Isn’t that exactly what we are doing here? Not everyone knows that the polling firms are owned by family and friends of Noynoy. Not everyone is aware that the poll results should not be taken into consideration when voting for someone.
You also said:
I’m sorry, but what you said above still doesn’t make any sense because Noynoy himself admitted that he shouldn’t even be running if not for the outpouring of support after his mother’s death. It’s the silliest thing since Erap ran because there are other candidates who are better than Noynoy and Noynoy is not even competent and hardly has any accomplishments. And now that the support for Noynoy is waning, they have succumbed to using the tactic of telling the public that:
1. The fight is between good (Noynoy) and evil (Villaroyo). What about the other candidates? Why is Noynoy good? Where’s the proof of this?
2. LP is trying to trick people into believing that since it is only Noynoy and Villar who are popular among the voters, if they don’t vote Noynoy, Villar will get most of the votes.
3. Media outlets like the Inquirer are always publishing poll results only from SWS and Pulse Asia. They do not even publish mock polls held at UP or other campuses.
4. Recently, Noynoy made a statement saying that “If the counting of votes is accurate, then we will be victorious.” He can’t get any sillier than that because the surveys are only a snapshot and people can still change their mind on Election Day and now we know he cannot base his hopes on the result of surveys conducted by polling firms so closely linked to him.
You cannot deny the fact that Noynoy has media backers who always give him good publicity. He has an unfair advantage from the very beginning and that advantage is not based on his competency.
And then ang labo nitong sinabi mo:
Excuse me, but it was you who started the put down by saying this:
I don’t even think you would say the above if you weren’t a Noynoy supporter. Anyway, I don’t care who you are supporting. I just think that you still don’t get the point of this article. You also don’t get the name of this site. If you have a problem with it, build your own site and call it what you want.
you don’t need a philosophy degree to argue o wise (stupid) one… you just need to be “wise” in the true sense of the word…. LOGICAL… but if you argue… you should know whether thou premises are fallacies or not… you go figure how… you probably have the cognitive skills to perform such “figuring out” endeavor because YOU CLAIM TO BE WISE…
thou has said on post 1:
“for the really wise ones, just vote. for the DUMB ASS ones, TRY to vote wisely at the very least.”
on on the next post :
“do not badmouth”
hmmmm…. are you contradicting thyself o wise (este stupid one)
BTW… the ICON is not an OWL… it’s a CHICKEN… HEHEHEHE… a philippine chicken
ABNOY has been referenced to Noynoy because he’s acting like an abnormal a hole for some people… i’m sorry your holy and wise (este stupid) one… Filipinos have the penchant and proclivity to baptize you with an alias… it’s like Mar Roxas coining the Villaroyo thing… so why don’t you perform the same exorcism on that J a c k a s s… it’s like nardong kirat… or boy pogi… totoy libog… in Noynoy’s case… for those who really finds him abnormal… they call him NOYNOY ABNOY… sad fact it is… but that’s the culture o wise (este stupid) one.
On your query on why and how the site name antipinoy… thou art wise… all you need to do is to READ… ANALYZE then state your thesis and anti thesis… yet… queries like that is like GabbyDs mode of questioning… the stupid query types.
I do not belittle people’s character and right as a human person… what I do is I insult his choice… his stupid choice… but that insult of choice does not make him or her less of a human person… more or less… i do not have even the slightest right and capability to make him lesser than a maggot… the Abnoy choice is an abnormal choice… and i deplore that. Let us only hope and pray, Oh holy and wise (este stupid one), that the mother of Abnoy will rise from the grave and scold her son before election day for pursuing his abnormal quixotic quest to sit in Malakanyang….
halleluyah hymen
PS
saan po bang parokya kayo pader… mangungumpisal po kasi si Chino kasi madalas syang mamutangina ngayon e… hehehehe…
Ahaha… di lang ako nag-mumura ng grabe… parang gusto ko nang bumugbog ng mga tanga. O kaya i-machine gun silang lahat, hehehe. Pero di ako sa parokya, sa Protestante ako mangungumpisal… bwahaha. Saka yung icon mo, Jet, Pilipin egol yun na nangangarat diba? hehehe
BTW, Mr. Wise, we are not badmouthing here… we are giving out:
1. our opinions;
2. the truth.
It’s the readers’ initiative to declare that we are badmouthing, and that’s their opinion.
dear wise (or stupid)
the title of the article states categorically that the owner/founders/CEOs/board of directors are linked up with Noynoy either as a friend or a relative…. IF THOU ART WISE… ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS TO REFUTE THAT…. if you can prove that the article is false… then can prove that IT IS BLACK PROPAGANDA… buuuuuuuuuuut……. IF CAN’T CAN’T don’t go with the argument that YOU KNOW “PERSONALLY” THESE PEOPLE AND THAT THEY ARE OF DECENT STOCK. that is a stupid premise.
namber two… you cannot conclude that those who have commented do not have a background on research of any form… AGAIN… ANOTHER STUPID PREMISE…
so I THEREFORE DOUBT THAT THOU ART WISE… AND YOU WILL VOTE WISELY… because thou art STUPID…
halleluyah hymen…
pati keyboard ko stupid… hehehe
** then you can prove that it is black gulaman
***IF YOU CAN’T… DON’T GO WITH THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU KNOW….
NAKU!!! pag nabasa to ng mga noynoy supporters sasabihin nila na BLACK PROPAGANDA nanaman to ^^
pag si
NOYNOY = BLACK PROPAGANDA
OTHER CANDIDATES = WALA LANG!!!
Why ohh why ohh why????
so true!! kahit mga document o libro na nasulat ilang taon bago pa man mag-2010, para sa kanila, ‘black propaganda’ lang…mga naka-drugs ata ang Noynoyistas!
How about this survey by Campaigns and Images Group, commissioned by British and American investor firms, with 51,000 (Yes, FIFTY ONE THOUSAND, not just 2000) respondents from different sectors and age groups. Guess who they pick?
http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/top-stories/16425
Really? Which one is more credible?!?!?!?
spot.ph had a survey too. more 200K respondents. Gordon topped that one naman.
@i am wise. i will vote.:
it fool.
> I totally agree with you: SWS/false asia is a multimillion BUSINESS. How sure are you that they follow SCIENTIFIC
FORMULAS – PROOF? (reload you shotgun with blank, errr, real bullets)
it
> DECENT people = PAID hacks. Just like a jukebox is a decent machine.
i
it
> We do THINK but, obviously, the target of these surveys are the tens of millions of zombie voters who are being gypped by the survey-founders you know.
> Unless you can show me the methodology these surveys follow, the only thing I find accurate with your literary is your alternick: I AM A WISE (SNAKE), I WAS BOUGHT (mang-ahas)
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kung kamag-anak nga nila NA ang mga founder o may-ari ng mga Survey firms, bakit hindi nila ginawang # 1 si NA nung tumatakbo itong Senador nung 2007? kung para lang din naman sa kawalang hiyaan, e bakit hindi nila ginamit ang survey firms nung tumakbo si NA sa pagka kongresista? o para linisin ang imahe ng Pamilya Aquino laban sa HL issues?
Kung ang kandidato mo ba ang nangunguna sa SWS and PA survey, magagawa mo bang batikusin ang mga survey firms na ito? sa malamang hindi..kagaguhan at kaimpokritohan kung sasabihin mo sa akin na “oo”..
Paano naman yung mga tinanong sa survey na kaparehas mong pumapabor sa gusto mong kandidato?
bakit hindi na lang kayo gumawa ng survey para malaman kung sang ayon o di sang ayon ang mga tao sa survey ng panghalalan? ng malaman nyo ang reaksyon ng tao sa inyo?
kung kayo mismo(mga AYAW SA SURVEY N PANGHALALAN) ang mgsasagawa ng survey para malaman kung sang ayon o di sang ayon ang mga tao sa survey na panghalalan.. SA MALAMANG AANI KAYO NG BATIKOS.
ano ba ang punto ng survey kung ganon? WALA..subalit, WALANG SINO MAN ANG MAKAKAPIGIL O MAKAKAHADLANG SA “PAGLALATHALA” NG RESULTA SURVEY NA ISINASAGAW NG SINO MAN, DAHIL PROTEKTADO ITO NG ATING SALIGANG-BATAS..(unless its a threat to national security) kalayaang magpahayag at maglathala, katulad ng karapatan at kalayaang TINATAMASA MO SA BLOG NA ITO..
p.s. kahit pa ANG COMELEC AT SI DICK GORDON..KAGAGUHAN AT KATANGAHAN ANG GAGAWIN NILA O NINYONG HAKBANGIN PARA MAIPATIGIL ANG PAGSASAGAWA NG SURVEY…
Im not a supporter of anyone. Malalim ang pagkakaunawa ko sa halalan..kasing lalim ng problema sa ating lipunan. HINDI AKO BUMOBOTO. at kailanman hindi ako boboto..
Have you heard anything from Noynoy supporters? change of heart like they have been betrayed? This family will do anything to get what they want at all cost just to protect their clan. Our government needs a overhaul take out the bad apples like the Aquinos.
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