Filipinos should learn to question authority intelligently

Intelligent people can be the worst teachers. They tend to be impatient with their students. This is because they assume that the students will understand what they are trying to say on their first attempt at explaining something. Because it is easy for them to understand things, it can be hard for intelligent people to put themselves in the average person’s shoes and to try and imagine why the latter cannot get the point. If you don’t get what I’m trying to say, just imagine talking to someone younger than you let us say, a teenager, about the facts of life. He might see your lips moving but he won’t actually hear what you are saying because he hasn’t yet fully grasped the meaning of life and his brain is not yet fully developed.

Some students can get intimidated by their teacher and avoid asking a question about the lesson altogether. This kind of timid behavior is especially prevalent in Philippine society because young kids are discouraged from questioning authority. It could be the reason why many Filipino kids would rather dismiss the subjects in school as boring if they don’t understand the teacher. You could call such an attitude a cop out, really. How many times have you heard your classmates at school say that math or philosophy is boring and that they don’t really need these in life? A lot of times I am sure. Students can continue on with the charade of going to school without learning anything even until graduation. Meanwhile, their parents break their backs trying to make sure that school fees are paid on time so their kids can continue with their education. Both the parents and the teacher have big expectations from the students that cannot be met. And the cycle continues for generations within our mediocre society.

The above scenario is actually the same in the Philippine blogging world. A blogger would publish something he believes in and assumes that the readers will get the point of the article in the first instance. The comment section in the blogsite is provided specifically for the readers to use to either leave a statement about what they have read, give criticism, or ask a question for further clarification.

Unfortunately, in the blogging world, especially in the Philippine blogosphere, there are Filipino readers just like some students in a class, who get intimidated by even simple articles and simply dismiss them as boring, fallacious or misguided just because they cannot understand what the blogger is saying. Because they are daunted by the task of asking the right questions for clarification (perhaps for fear that they still might not get the point after further explanation) they would instead, leave comments that simply attack the writer/blogger — often with foul language.

When a reader resorts to personal attacks, he or she exhibits symptoms of what is most likely to be a deep insecurity associated with an inability to comprehend the message of the article. This is not to say that there are actually bloggers out there who do not publish articles containing fallacious logic. Indeed, the Philippines, has its fair share of bloggers who pretend to be in the know. You can spot bloggers who do not know what they are talking about from a mile away. Just like the students who are daunted by the prospect of asking a question for clarification, bogus bloggers get intimidated by simple questions from their readers. They are also the ones who write articles based on fantasy or fiction and not on facts.

Irreverence to public officials is a good thing

Here at AntiPinoy.com, a few of our readers claim that we are fond of writing hate blogs. This is because we often criticize Filipino culture, and rightly so, because Filipino culture is in fact dysfunctional. Despite all the evidence presented to support that statement, Filipinos tend to turn a blind eye to the truth and often dismiss our assertions. Lately, we have been receiving a few comments which dare say that we should just leave President Noynoy Aquino alone. This request comes mostly from Noynoy supporters and those who still believe that Noynoy will eventually deliver on his promise.

Filipino Voices permanent resident and blogger Joe America even blatantly claims that the bloggers of AntiPinoy.com just want to cause disunity among Filipinos. To quote:

Most of the writers here seem to want the conditions to be so stacked against Mr. Aquino that he cannot possibly succeed, as if they gain some kind of twisted fulfillment if he fails. They would rather have a failed presidency than a successful one. They would rather be personally right and a successful one. They would rather be personally right and have the Philippines go to hell.

And this:

I find offensive the many references here to the duly elected president in rudely disparaging terms.

I find his comment strange particulary since he is an American. For America wouldn’t be what it is today if it weren’t for people who challenged authority and begged to differ. Our style here at AntiPinoy.com is no different from the style of the late American author and father of political humorists, Mark Twain if I do say so myself. For those of you who are not familiar with his style, Mark Twain famously rebutted, “A discriminating irreverence is the creator and protector of human liberty.” In a career that lasted 50 years, he was famous for making people laugh while being taken seriously for the issues that he raised, from racism (in The Adventures of Huckleberry Film) to even speaking against the Spanish-American war in the Philippines. He once wrote about the war in the Chicago Tribune “Why, we have got into this mess, a quagmire from which each fresh step renders the difficulty of extrication immensely greater.”

As TIME magazine once said of Twain, “he was the authentic voice of American contrarianism, a man born to gore sacred cows and make rude noises in public, somebody whose idea of humanist piety was to say ‘All I care to know is that a man is a human being – that is enough for me; he can’t be any worse’.”

Thanks to Mark Twain, Americans found it entertaining to talk about certain topics that were otherwise boring to some, in a funny manner — like the subject of politics. Thanks to Mark Twain, Americans now enjoy the likes of Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert and the cast of Saturday Night Live. Even the late George Carlin will be receiving the Mark Twain Prize for American Humor. Thanks to the new generation of Mark Twains, Americans get tickled by the news instead of putting them to sleep.

We here at AntiPinoy.com are proudly irreverent because in a truly free society, there is no place for misguided reverence and awe for our public officials. The last thing we need is to narrowly-define our place in Philippine society, especially with a president like Noynoy Aquino who ascended to power thanks to the passing of his mother and whose win in the election is still being questioned by some who believe that the first automated election was a sham.

It is too bad that some of the people who read our blogs dismiss us as hate bloggers. Our blogs are far from being hateful. Everything we write here stems from the mainstream media. If they can call our blogs hateful, then they might as well call what the mainstream media is reporting hate news as well.

Traditional media will quite often report breaking news and then eventually ignore them. It takes the bloggers nowadays to pursue the story, interpret it and do all the things that can possibly turn it into a major event. We are citizen journalists and we take what we do seriously. We are not just doing what we do for the sake of ridiculing Noynoy Aquino and the Filipino people. As Huffington Post editor Ariana Huffington aptly said about their position: “I’d much rather we make our preferences and points of view transparent than pretend we don’t have them.” I tend to agree with her too when she said that you can present both sides of the story but “the truth lies on one side or the other.”

Intelligent people can be the worst teachers. They tend to be impatient with their students. I can’t blame other people who get impatient with Filipinos because it’s really hard to teach them the real meaning of democracy and freedom of speech. They would much rather stick to allowing themselves their small place in Philippine society, from which they regard their public officials with awe. And that is part of the reason why the public officials in the Philippines get away with almost everything — even murder.

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195 Responses to Filipinos should learn to question authority intelligently

  1. ulong pare says:

    … daaang

    … first of all, flips should question their mental faculty? decades of malnourishment and wowowee, deprive flips the capacity to think…

    … in addition, over 4 centuries of kaksucker padre damaso’s teachings/brainwashing, flips struggle to shed the lies which molded their upbringing…

    … the 21st genre finally put a dent, AP at the helms…

    … long live ‘insan!!!:mrgreen:

    • ilda says:

      I’ve always wanted to ask you: what does “ulong” mean?

    • ulong pare says:

      … daaaang

      … “ulong” is a combo: “ULO” means ‘head’, “NG”, a pilipino preposition ‘of’

      … ulong pare, literally means ‘head of the priest’; in tangalog colloquialism/slang, it’s… ahemmm ahemmm…

      … a friend from pbc who shall remain nameless (i call her ms les) knows you….

      … say hi to ms les for me…

      … see, my flipland education is good…. thank you, ms gonzalez!!! (she’s my fave teach!!!)

      • Aegis-Judex says:

        For a moment there, I thought you meant “mad friend.”

        Let me quote one of my friends: “Screw you ABS-CBN, Screw you Noynoy, Screw you gullible Philippine masses.” Apparently, we will be screwed…

  2. J.B. says:

    There has been recent DepEd changes tailored to kids learning. It’s worth checking them for reference purposes.

    In my days, a teacher can use the student’s head as stamp-cleaner for erasers if the student irate the teacher.

    • ilda says:

      I hope the changes will include lessons on “how to use critical analysis”🙂

      The nuns at school used to pinch our ears whenever they found us loitering around outside the classroom. Fear ruled the school rather than respect I think. On the surface, the teachers look like they get a lot of respect from the students but I still think that too much emphasis on reverence gets in the way of understanding the subject being taught

      • J.B. says:

        It’s actually worth dissecting at what Mr Lapuz did to DepEd. It would be good if there is a teacher visiting this site.

        The removal of physical harm alone is one step journey to modern education.

      • palahubug99 says:

        Believe it or not, good teachers are hard to find. With or without fear in the classroom, the issue is challenging students to think for themselves, to think critically, and not many teachers know how to do this. What is involved? Basically, it is the ability to go down to the level of kids and explain in terms they can understand how to explore the world around them. Not many teachers have this skill.

      • J.B. says:

        Agree. Most are still traditionally inclined by maintaining a distance between them and students.

        These can work actually to the teachers favour. For example, their distance to their students can be taken advantage by asking them to join carolling and sharing only the proceeds among their peers and not on the students who also sang their hearts out.

      • ilda says:

        @palahubug99

        I can imagine why it’ll be hard to find good teachers nowadays. Most of them have probably left town. My high-school teacher just found me on Facebook and she’s now living in the US. It’s a shame we lose the good ones. They are probably paid peanuts in the country. The ones who are left behind might have emo mentality and are feeding the youngsters with rubbish. .

      • udf21 says:

        I highly recommend this DVD, “A Touch of Greatness”, that focuses on maverick teacher Albert Cullum “who transformed a generation of young people by enabling them to discover their own inner greatness through the power of learning” in NY. This guy knew how to inspire his 4th and 5th graders to ask the right questions. He was teaching them to learn without seeming to do so. How many kids today are eager to go to school every day and would complain if they got sick because they would have to miss school? Such were his students. He would encourage kids to read everything then ask them to analyze (not just regurgitate) what they read. What did they think about it? Did they agree or disagree? I can tell you how many times my 4th grade teacher asked me what I thought of a piece of literature – zero.

        Having grown up in the ’60s and ’70s, I have to ask where were the Albert Cullums in MY school?

      • ilda says:

        Hi udf21

        That’s great! I will have to look into that. They should really make learning fun and engrossing. I actually did like going to school and had a good attendance record because I wanted to see my friends🙂 but I only started appreciating everything they taught at school when I started working already. I guess I was a late bloomer and that’s ok because a lot of young people don’t really know what they want to pursue yet. Sometimes having too many options can be daunting for teenagers. It’s never too late though for people to change their mind as long as they put their heart into everything they do.

  3. mix says:

    a lighterside lang🙂

    saw this ‘ten golden rules of videogame fanboysim’.

    intended as a joke for the gaming industry for the fanboys. maybe you can see similarities to other people in the community where you find them hard to teach or share ideas with? now you know why. enjoy😀

    http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-videogame-fanboyism-83502.phtml

    some excerpts:

    2: The only defense is attack:

    Most of the fanboy’s chief tactics revolve around refusing to engage in intellectual debate. This ensures you can never be proven wrong, as no logical person is able to argue with those to whom logic makes no sense. With that in mind, never, EVER defend your stance with a well-reasoned response. Just attack, attack, attack, and you will ultimately triumph in a war of attrition.

    6: Criticisms are old news, who cares?:

    A great way to deal with criticism is to state that all negative points are “old news” and that nobody cares anymore. If you’re really witty, you might like to also post a .jpg of an old hat, which will make everyone realize that the news is old hat. When a particular negative point has been going around for a while, that means it becomes less true. For instance, Xbox 360s no longer red ring anymore, because that was controversial in 2007 and nothing lasts longer than a year.

    • ilda says:

      Hi mix

      Interesting. It does look like Noynoy supporters are using the same tactic. It does not really matter to them how logical the arguments are against Noynoy but what make sense to them is that he is the son of Cory and Ninoy. They just attack and attack with “He has integrity”

      Noynoy supporters also keep repeating “He already won, what else can you do?” not realising that that is not the point really. The point is for people to be more engaged in what the politicians, especially Noynoy are doing. to take note if they are fulfilling their duties or not.

      Thanks for posting it here!

      • silvercrest says:

        Right! It was in the news. Noong kasagsagan ng mga anti-GMA rallies, nagreklamo ang mga ito sapagkat kulang o kaya’y hindi nabayaran ang karamihan sa sumama. This really isn’t something new. There’s always an army for the highest bidder.

      • ilda says:

        There is something to be said about people who offer money and those who accept money for dubious reasons without thinking of the consequences of their actions. Pinoy talaga!

  4. benign0 says:

    Arguments of last resort — telling people to shut up or delivering pointless ad hominem arguments. It’s a Pinoy favourite. It’s consistent with what I’ve observed over the years of my on-line life. Rather than understand, explore, and ask the right questions, Pinoys would rather dismiss and condemn. It reflects a general lack of curiosity — the sort that fuels exploration and discovery; characteristics that are strikingly ABSENT from the collective psyche of Da Pinoy as evident in our pathetic record of innovation, lack of originality, and perverse conformity to even the most moronic of trends, fads, and ways of thinking.

    That small-mindedness as far as Da Pinoy’s regard for the big wide world around her — which abounds with knowledge and opportunity to learn describes the tragedy that is our sad nation — one that consistently FAILS in a region renowned for its high ACHIEVEMENT.

    Pinoy nga naman talaga.😀

    • Lilly says:

      I wouldn’t really tag it as a solely FIlipino trait. Like what Mix above you has said, using ad hominems and telling others to shut up when they’re losing their excuses are rife among the gaming console fanboys, most of whom come from the West.

      I would say that the usual Da Pinoys are horribly fanboyish when it comes to their elected leaders, however.:mrgreen:

  5. J.B. says:

    I heard that students who enrolled at UP and other state universities are moulded by their teachers to think critically by reminding them they’re ‘skolar ng bayan’ hence, they’re indebted to their country and so required to render service.

    The only drawback to their approach is they call NPA’s as freedom fighters and the direct path to render back service is through involvement street rallies.

    • Lilly says:

      Hence my beef towards activism. I’m all for questioning authority–this is what we’re mostly doing here in this blog, but for a good reason–as long as there’s a point, and the goal is achievable through the means they’re using.

      Most of the time, however, pouring into the streets carrying placards, being a nuisance, and not contributing to or lowering productivity by causing traffic will NOT solve the issue they’re harping about. I find them always rallying, clogging the streets in deference to the current elected government, and this has been going on for decades.

      You’d think the better solution is to make sure these activists take it into themselves to learn how to vote wisely or perform the task of BECOMING the leaders and politicians, lawmakers they demand to see in the government. The effects will not be seen within short term, sure, but its way better than seeing them flood the streets every so often.

      Nowadays the very act of activism is cheapened and worse, being used as a premium political tool. Activism here in the Philippines have become so cheap that these “activists” jump into the bandwagon, with high school kids and all, without even knowing the issues at hand. It’s just treated as one big street party.

      When interviewed they’ll just smile and say “TANGGALIN ANG KATIWALIAN” and other overused platitudes. But ask some “activists” carted from Tondo how much they were paid for bringing a placard, and some will say “500 pesos po” with a trademark wais grin.

      • ilda says:

        @Lilly

        Ahhh…I know what you are saying and people taking it to the streets is what I was trying to avoid when I added the word “intelligently” in the title. Questioning authority does not really mean having another people power.

        Indeed, most of the people in rallies don’t even know what they are doing there. Unfortunately, some activists/stupid teachers nowadays use their students to fight for their misguided causes. Where were they during the campaign season when they could have made a bigger difference campaigning for the right presidential candidate? It’s a pity their voices weren’t loud enough to muffle the mainstream media.

    • Anonylol says:

      Unfortunately, that “iskolar ng bayan” label has given some students a terribly misplaced sense of entitlement.

      My little brother was a UP student (UP Baguio) and when he was being recruited into various causes he would ask questions regarding them. Makes sense since they’re asking him to throw his lot in with them.

      Most couldn’t answer. Some answered in comically/tragically ignorant ways. They wouldn’t leave him alone so he kept asking.

      Then they just beat him up.

      @Lilly

      Yeah, street party is the correct term. The trash left behind after a rally includes beer cans, gin bottles, and plastic cups.

    • ulong pare says:

      … daaaang

      … the current rallyistas y demonstrators are paid hacks… the current rate range from P350 – P500/day…

      … if you look closely at the crowd, and scrutinize their legitimacy, 99.9% are gung gongs/squats… they are used as tv/movie/news fodder…

      … puro bungal, galisin, etchastera, etc… also, used as fodder for charity orgs, props for victims of calamities…

      … dang you typhoon ondoy!!!!

  6. Anonylol says:

    I was an instructor at a computer college once. I had a student who complained that her computer wasn’t working, she was pressing the floppy eject button instead of the power button. Then there was the other time where a student wrote a program in microsoft word, it was a C++ class. Then their parents would get angry at me when I say that their child probably isn’t cut out for IT, citing how I wasn’t an engineer or whatnot and I don’t have any authority to say that their child isn’t cut out for IT. (Although, Programmer Anonylol doesn’t really sound too good anyway)

    A microcosm of how this backwards country works I guess.

    • ilda says:

      That’s the problem with Filipino parents. It’s bad enough that they hover around their kids like helicopters but the situation gets even worse when they insist that they know what their kids want and are capable of doing. They can’t even take the advice of an expert such as yourself Anonylol. This is part of the reason why some Filipino kids grow up to be like wimps. They have no control of their lives.

      • Anonylol says:

        The real sad part is that when I talked to those students, they really didn’t want to take IT anyway. They were just put in it because IT was “in demand” back then just like Nursing today. A few of my students haven’t even touched a computer before yet they were in IT or ComSci because their parents wanted them to take an “in demand” course.

        Another interesting memory is that of one parent who kept saying that she was a doctor and that she knew best. I’ve had enough during that day and said “Ok, cool. But that has no bearing whatsoever on your child” She demanded I be fired because I wasn’t a doctor too and shouldn’t lecture her.

        We still laugh about that one but when I think about it, it’s really depressing.

        The subservient attitude of the kids combined with that kind of mind-boggling arrogance is a disastrous combination to say the least.

        It’s cyclical too. The ones who have been stepped on, more often than not, can’t wait to get the chance to step on someone else and throw their weight around too.

      • Dr. José Rizal II says:

        Anonylol,

        That disease you so describe is what we AP authors and members of Get Real Philippines call “credentialism.”

        It’s when “who you are” is so much more important than “what you say.”

        Never mind that what that guy over there is saying is complete baloney, he’s got a PhD from wherever the hell that university is… While the intelligent student with the common sense who’s saying all the right stuff is dismissed because, well, he’s just a student.

        Credentialism is actually just one form of Argumentum ad Hominem.

        Another form of “ad hominem” is the “What have you done” question.

        That’s when you’re discussing something that makes sense but is controversial and your opponent tries to put your arguments down but fails to do so. After you win the debate because you have all the facts on your side and your logic is impeccable, the loser then says “Ok, well and good, your advocacy seems to sound right, but let me ask you: WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT?”

        The “What have you done” question is just another form of “ad hominem” because it shifts the focus away from your message and on to you, the messenger.

        Many Filipinos, however, are very weak in the avoiding fallacies department and so Ad Hominems and all their variations are the norm whenever you go into places like FV and B7 and try to talk sense into some people.

        Check this out: http://antipinoy.com/blog/2010/03/05/problema-ng-pinoy-ginagamit-ang-talino-para-mambola-hindi-para-dumating-sa-katotohanan/

        The worst and most intellectually-dishonest move is once they start erecting Strawman Arguments.

        In that case, they would deliberately go out of their way to misquote you by altering whatever it is you said, and then change a word or two and weaken it. They will attribute that misquote to you and then attack that misquote to make it appear that the misquote was what you said.

        Again, a very common tactic used by many Pinoys who go into an argument based on sentimental reasons, only to find themselves on the losing end, grasping at straws to make a face-saving attack on your winning arguments. (face-saving for the loser, that is)

        I’m sorry to hear about what those dimwits did to your brother. But you know, what we can do to right that wrong is crush the stupidity we see spewed out by dimwits just like those same dumb-a$$ “tibaks” who couldn’t answer your brother’s intelligent questions.

      • ChinoF says:

        In the end, those kind of people are stuffed up with pride. The “I’m older/better/more popular/fill in the blanker than you, so you should listen to me” types.

      • ulong pare says:

        … daaang

        … ay sus ginoo…

        … FLIP/FLIPFLAM consider themselves as hyperintelligen human beings, an eternal student of sumtin’… ngek… pekpek ninyo…

  7. frustratedbuthopeful says:

    As an opening line to my class, I asked them if they had seen/heard National Geographic’s latest slogan – LIVE CURIOUS. And all I got were blank stares.

    What is lacking is a genuine desire to learn, like they just swallow what is being said to them because they have to. They fail to recognize learning opportunities elsewhere and hence have very poor critical thinking skills. Very few watch intelligent shows or read thought-provoking books, which I think are good avenues developing expansive insight .

    And how can they become analytical with all the tele-novelas dominating primetime TV? As long as there are people in the teeming millions watching their exasperating and pathetic storylines (not to mention the distasteful acting), we can kiss progressive thinking goodbye.

    • ilda says:

      Hi frustratedbuthopeful

      I can relate to your frustration. Students hardly read books that is not required reading at school anymore. And sadly, their short attention span is even shorter now with all the gadgets they carry around. They lack the desire to learn because they don’t want to be seen straying away from the norm and the norm is being up to date with the latest celebrity news.

    • Lilly says:

      From what I’ve experienced during my academic years, they only teach critical reading (sure, its not overall general critical thinking but is a step towards it) only in college.

      It’s a bit too late.

    • BongV says:

      what if – there was a radio/TV program that you can get your students to listen to, then make a comment, even encourage them to make a call – and you will be onboard the program – they communicate to you via tweeter and facebook and your cellphone the phone, or be in class even? you provide the topic to the panel in advance😉💡

      • frustratedbuthopeful says:

        This is an excellent idea! I’ve actually thought of giving them “watching” assignments and then have each one actually formulate an opinion. If they can defend their view, then that’s a big step. Thanks for all your replies. =) And oh, I hope we’re not too late😉 Sana talaga may magawa pa tayo.

  8. mel says:

    If something is to grow, first there must be a field. Then we need seeds, sun and rain. These together make it happen. Seeing one’s present inability to decide how to feel and think, it is natural to look for somebody who can teach us. We fully open our potentials to our teachers and helpers on the way to learning. As we accumulate both good and bad impressions, we purify the knowledge and we start up our own system of thinking and learning.

    At an early stage of learning, we need time and patience but as we grow older, time becomes precious that we should use the chance of past learning for what we do, think and say will become our future.

    Non-artificiality comes next. The actuality of here and now gets awareness. Asking questions and checking the teachings become clear and logical. If we have doubts, it usually means that we have not studied enough.

    Happy learning😀

    • ilda says:

      Hi Mel

      As we accumulate both good and bad impressions, we purify the knowledge and we start up our own system of thinking and learning

      The above only applies to the keen observer. Unfortunately, there are so many Filipinos who do not know how to engage in self-reflection. This makes it harder for them to learn their lesson. And then they end up making the same mistakes over and over. This is evident in the way they vote for the same types of people into public office.

  9. Maikimai says:

    Though I want to join serious discussions here and in other forums and question arguments that I do not agree with, it is impossible due to my highest educational attainment is only High School. Some articles here are really hard to understand like the solutions to our economic problems and political issues for someone like me.

    Back then, I have always thought that our education system is okay, until I joined a forum with a debate section. A member there gave really sound arguments against my cheap one-liners. I was really frustrated and I want beat him in debate, however it is really too hard for me. Though I am grateful to meet him, he introduced atheism to me(Back then, I am a half-assed Christian) and told me about ad hominems, ad populum etc.

    I showed to my high school friend(who is much smarter than me during high school and is studying at UST now) his posts and talked about local and foreign issues, religion, etc. with her. She was amazed on how much I changed and said that I could be a dean-lister at UST(I want to study there). Then I realized, if I could be a dean-lister with all I have now, our education system is really bad.

    • ilda says:

      Hi Maikimai

      Well, obviously it doesn’t matter if you are only a high-school graduate because your comments always make a lot of sense. You make more sense than the average Noynoy supporter who come here and give nonsensical arguments. What’s important is that you seem to be hungry for knowledge and you do your best to look for stuff that will satisfy that hunger.

      You should think about going back to school because learning is a continuous process. UST is ok. I know a lot of people who went to there and they all have good careers now. It’s not in the school; it all depends on the person. I know a lot of people who went to the best schools here and abroad pero sablay sila mag-isip.🙂

      Don’t be shy to ask the bloggers what you don’t understand about the articles here.

    • Jay says:

      @Makimai

      To me, the concept of debate in the country seems shunned due to the fact that to many its viewed as something only the intelligent people would do (within reason) and for many of the pinoys with balat sibuyas syndrome, its becomes an automatic basis for an aggressive in-your-face confrontation that they want to avoid. My friend doesn’t seem to take it well at times because he’s the type who isn’t very spoken for himself and sees it as a confrontation but I try convince him that in its academic form, its a wonderful way to present ideas and convey concepts. Of course half the battle isn’t convincing someone but having someone else who has contrasting ideas try convince their views are just as concrete.

      To me, debate is a daily thing. A struggle between what kind of reality you want to accept. And I always look at it as an opportunity to learn.

    • palebluedot says:

      i observe, from where i am, a typical college graduate nowadays do not want to engage in debates. they think debates = quarreling. i usually encourage the college graduates i am mentoring now to involve themselves into healthy arguments. whenever a certain group member talks about his/her opinion lengthily, especially during our brainstorming, the common request i hear from the audience is: “sya na lang padauga, ma’am!” (“let him win, ma’am”). i told them, it’s not about winning, or having your opinion accepted, or being the most eloquent speaker, it’s about expressing yourself, and learning yourself through others.

      most of these degree holders’ ultimate aim in life is still to be accepted in groups, in the society; as if they are stagnated in one of Erikson’s stages. for them to be accepted, they try hard not to shake the status quo. they never question opinions, never suggest new systems. they just accept what is there available, so that they can go home early to watch their telenovelas or drink coffee at the mall. and when somebody constructively criticizes them of their actions (as i usually do), they shy away, never to come back again, except leave nasty messages of how big-headed the leaders are.

      with these kind of young people (not teens anymore) now, it’s saddening to think about the kind of future leaders this country will be having. so pathetic now, how much more in the future? *sigh*

      • maikimai says:

        I kinda agree with Filipinos want to avoid confrontation with other people. We did also have a “debate” during high school however, out of 52 students there is only 4 of us are willing to speak(our topic was abortion, which is a very easy one). When you try to talk about something sensible to them and present healthy arguments they’ll say “Kahit na pag-usapan natin ito wala ring mangyayari”.

        I wish I found that forum earlier and this site during my high school days, there are a LOTS of questions that I want to ask especially to my Religion teacher.

      • palebluedot says:

        it probably has to do also with language. since the medium of instruction is english, teachers expect their students to debate in english, or else they fail. reality is many students THINK in bisaya (where i am). translating bisaya (in mind) to english (in speech) will take a long time to transpire, and debates are time-limited. (i once was a victim of this in hs when i had a hard-time expressing in english my rebuttal for the separation of mindanao from philippines; our team lost because of that. if it was only in bisaya, we could have won.)

        i’ve known many people who have great ideas. but they are anxious to express them in public because of their ineloquence to use the english or tagalog languages. oh! also, full bisaya speakers are discriminated here…baduy daw.

        btw, visayans study english and tagalog. while tagalogs only worry about english.

        *solutions* *solutions*

      • ilda says:

        i’ve known many people who have great ideas. but they are anxious to express them in public because of their ineloquence to use the english or tagalog languages. oh! also, full bisaya speakers are discriminated here…baduy daw.

        That’s just wrong. That’s another form of bullying if you ask me. Trust Filipinos to let these kinds of things fly over their heads. It should be a national disgrace. The people who insist on the superiority of Tagalog obviously have three corn cobs up their a$$es.

      • palebluedot says:

        ilda, it’s quite depressing giving lectures in this part of “hell” because of the following:
        1. you need to speak english (easy) or tagalog (hard). if you mix bisaya then you are deemed poorly-educated. low-points in your evaluation once you do it.
        2. you need to compete with pure tagalog speakers. they get paid higher than you, in spite of your well-researched and updated discussions.
        3. you need to bear the discrimination of being called “local teacher” for having residence here; while those who are given extra icings like traveling and hotel allowances are called “national teachers”. as if our educational resources aren’t the same.
        4. you need to entertain the students like what pokwang is doing. if you can wear chicken feathers dipped in glitters as headpiece, much better.

        in other words, the best you emulate the clowns on abs-cbn, the higher is your compensation. those who opt for a more formal, thought-provoking discussions with the students, be wary…be very very wary…starvation season ahead…better equip yourself with theater arts courses😉

      • ilda says:

        Again, only in the Philippines can discrimination like what you described flourish and not be addressed. Most tagalog speakers keep justifying these sorts of behaviour by slamming a quote from Jose Rizal on your face. It’s time we recognize that the use of the English language makes more sense because not only will it improve our activities with the international community, it also won’t alienate the other Filipinos who live in different regions who use a different dialect. To insist that we will be united as a nation by using Tagalog exclusively is delusional.

      • Maikimai says:

        Yes, the language that is used could be a problem. I had experienced trouble in debating when translating the ideas in my mind to the language that is used in the debate.

        @pale I did have a teacher who entertains us while teaching and we actually learned from him, I personally don’t hate a Pokwang-like teaching as long as he does it properly, though, I don’t think it should be encourage for all teachers to entertain students while teaching or it will become another segment of a variety show.

  10. concerned_citizen says:

    There really is an accepted dysfunctionality within Filipino society and culture.What’s so boring about Math
    anyway? I’m not afraid to admit that I love Math.It’s one of my best subjects along with a bit of Science, and one
    of my most fave subjects of my undergrad years- History.Do not be afraid of numbers.The thought of solving a difficult Math problem is enough to keep me going at it for minutes on end.Roosevelt once said that the more we learn about the past, the more prepared we are for the future. But in the case of Filipinos, the past is just another memory to be forgotten. The failures of our forefathers keep echoing through the decades.The sad truth is that we will never ever learn unless the chains that bind us such, indifference and ignorance, will be removed.

    • ilda says:

      Good for your concerned_citizen

      Filipinos should think more like you. The new generation of Pinoys need to appreciate learning. They will have a better future if they do the hard work now.

    • NFA rice says:

      Aversion to science and math is common throughout the world. I taught physics for a few years at a university back home. A lot of the students were ill-prepared to tackle the subject. They lacked the knowledge of the elements in geometry and algebra that are important to physics and calculus.

      But what is distinct in the Philippines is the nature of the curriculum. It is designed to mass produce labor. No wonder a lot of students don’t feel genuinely interested in the subjects, so they are unwilling to analyze and see beyond what is being discussed in the classroom. The result is lack of creative drive, the inclination to spoon feeding, and the tendency to forget things after the final exam.

      • ilda says:

        Hi NFA rice

        When you say the curriculum is designed to mass produce labor, does it mean they just gloss over the topics? If you don’t mind enlightening us because what you said is very interesting.🙂

      • NFA rice says:

        Ilda,

        Well, young people enter college with the aim of having employment at the end. This seems to be the rule in this modern age. I can’t blame them for having this purpose. We have to earn our meal after all.

        Let’s look at the general college curriculum. The first two years are actually a repeat of high school. It has to be this way because there were too many subjects tackled in high school. Students entering college therefore are half-baked. The result is that there are only two to three years remaining to teach actual college or university topics.

        Given that the students only want income after graduation and the short amount of time remaining, the curriculum has to be in a way such that important subjects have to be squeezed into that time frame and therefore only basic topics are discussed. The student has no more interest nor freedom in pursuing what is beyond those basics. (I know IT students that don’t know what linux is, much less program a soundcard!). The result is again half-baked, non-competitive, non-resourceful graduates unfamiliar with critical thinking.

        But if we look at the 19th century, people study for the sake of feeding the intellect.

      • ilda says:

        What you are saying is that there is no emphasis on the core subjects and the students therefore turn out to be not specialists in their chosen field after graduation. But I’m pretty sure not all schools are like this. Maybe there are private schools that produce students who are well done (as oppose to being half-baked). It’s just hard to tell because there is also the matter of some students being too spoon-fed and not encouraged to think for themselves after leaving school. Hayayay!

      • ChinoF says:

        Most subjects I guess teach technical skills rather than management skills. I think most of that come from a University Belt education. The management and leadership sorts of subjects are more seen in UP, Ateneo, La Salle, UST and all that ilk. But even there, some technical, labor-focused subjects are taken by some students of these “exclusive” schools.

  11. Hyden Toro says:

    Thanks Ilda, very elucidating and well written article. We appreciate it. Filipinos were subjected to brutal colonization by the Spaniards. Spain was ruled by the Ottoman Empire for 800 years. Islam was the former major religion of Spain. Before they were driven away by “El Cid”. So, Spain used the three methods to govern our country : the Military, the Oligarchy and the Clergy. This was how the Ottoman Empire ruled its colonies, also. Can you see this is still practiced in conservative Muslim countries? People do not question authorities. Religious adherance is imposed. Those who question authorities are flogged publicly, or worse publicly beheaded.

    Student are afraid to ask questions to their teachers. Because, they are ashamed to be branded as “tanga”. In America, we question our Professors. Tell them, we cannot understand. Then, they explain it further until we learn it. It is not shameful to fail in America. In the Philippines. If you “bagsak” a subject. You are a “bobo.”

    I love this Blogsite. I’ve Blogged at FV in its infancy. Then, it became clear, it was hijacked by the Noynoy Aquino’s minions. The interaction of ideas is very healthy way to increase and share our knowledge. We sometimes disagree. Sometimes we agree. But, with deductive reasoning. We arrived to a good conclusion of our conflicts. Becoming better and wiser.

    How do you call a “dirty shovel?” You euphemistically call it “unclean shovel?” To make it sound better? And not hurt the other’s guy’s feelings. If you are talking to a wall. You have to shout. If he does not listen: you holler.

    (1) If Noynoy Aquino is an imbecile. Would you like me to call him: “intellectually challenged?”

    (2) If Kris Aquino is by nature a Seductress and a Man Eater. Would you like me to call her “sexually challenged?”

    Hate is hating for hate’s sake. If the truth hurts. We cannot help it. It is a call for Noynoy Aquino to give results.
    Not just basking on the delusions of EDSA. And the delusion that his parents were great people. Because, they were not. The Oligarch’s Media and the U.S. State Department made them great. To promote U.S. sponsored “Democracy.” Part of winning the Cold War with Soviet Union and China. We were just pawns in this game of Superpowers’ politics.
    .

    • ilda says:

      Thanks Hyden!

      I’m glad you came back to join us here. I read your comments on Facebook all the time and it would be a shame if you didn’t share your knowledge on the AP comment section as well🙂

      What you said below is quite true:

      Students are afraid to ask questions to their teachers. Because, they are ashamed to be branded as “tanga”. In America, we question our Professors. Tell them, we cannot understand. Then, they explain it further until we learn it. It is not shameful to fail in America. In the Philippines. If you “bagsak” a subject. You are a “bobo.”

      Filipinos are afraid to be perceived as dumb when they ask a question! They should also think about asking the right question to receive the right answer.

    • J.B. says:

      @Hyden, I would still consider Ninoy a great man regardless of who among the influentials made him so.

      Who amongst us here willing to forgo a teaching offer from a standard university just to come home and offer the his last drop of his blood in the belief that it can free people from tyranny?

      Ninoy also know the oligarchic problem when he one said something like, “the problem with the Philippines is the mind-boggling privilege of the rich and the heart wrenching plight of the poor”. Even F. Sionel Jose cited his efforts to get rid the country of the oligarchs in the author’s fairly recent letter to Noynoy printed in Philippine Star.

      In fact, he was in friction of the US knowing the latter is allergic to communist expansion in Southeast Asea and branded anyone who fought a US puppet an enemy.

      • Hyden Toro says:

        There is a great Asian saying: “He who rides on a Tiger, will end inside it”. Ninoy Aquino Sr. rode on the Tiger Beast called “New People’s Army.” He financed the MV Karagatan arms shipment. His trial of rebellion by Marcos was valid. There were witnesses. Prof. Jose Maria Sison, knows this unholy alliance.

        Unluckily, he came home for a “power sharing” agreement with Marcos. Some Cabinet Officials in his administration, including some of the military high ranking officers were against this idea. So, they plot to kill him. It was hatched and implemented. The rest is History. The U.S intelligence community knows this. However, they want to get rid of Marcos for the reasons: (1) he was ill; (2) he had been long in power.
        (3) he refused to renew the U.S. – Philippine Bases Agreement. (4) Pres. Reagan cannot do anything to save his friend. His fellow Republicans want Marcos out. (5) it was part of the U.S. Strategy to win the Cold War, promote “democracy”. Leading to the breaking out of Warsaw Pact countries; including the Soviet Union.

        Ninoy Aquino Sr. was just a product of circumstances. It is a tragic political melodrama. But, we have to bring out the truth. A form of catharsis. So that, the truth will be with us again. And we will be ready to face our realities. It is only when a patient accepts his illness, that he will begin to heal.

      • J.B. says:

        Truth requires hard evidence and witnesses alleging Ninoy’s involvement in New People’s Army pre-martial was I think pure hearsay. (but then again, I would consider NPA at that time of martial a legit struggle).

        If Victor Corpus divulged his knowledge linking Sison to Plaza Miranda bombing, would he also take note of Ninoy’s involvement in the armed struggle. Why would Salonga became one of Ninoy allies if the latter was also responsible for his near-death experience?

        I would consider speech and activities of Ninoy during his last stay in the US spoke for his stand. He’s an avid Gandhi admirer of non-violence. It’s quite preposterous he wanted to go home for power sharing from a regime who jailed him for more than 10 years? What was his bargaining power? Opposition at that time was very fragmented.

      • BongV says:

        ” NATHAN: As far as the Plaza Miranda bombing is concerned, Joma continues to deny this despite the many books and articles that have been written pointing to him as the mastermind. As for the anti-DPA campaigns, there´s no honest to goodness effort being made to investigate these fully and find out why these things happened. Joma has come out with his own analysis and tries to put the blame onto people who are critical of him, as in the case of those who were in the Mindanao Commission, including myself. But there has been no honest review of what happened.” –The Left and Democratization in the Philippines – Nathan Quimpo

      • BongV says:

        In 1986, during a Politburo discussion on who should replace the newly-resigned Rodolfo Salas as party chairperson, Kintanar, newly promoted to the Politburo, pushed for an internal party investigation of the Plaza Miranda bombing. He was overruled, however. (Back in 1972, Kintanar had been present when Danny Cordero, an able NPA commander, made an astounding confession just before he was executed by the party for insubordination: that he had thrown the grenades at Plaza Miranda in 1971 and that Sison himself had ordered the bombing.) .. Why Kintanar Was Killed – Nathan Quimpo

  12. Joe America says:

    I was with you until the point you quoted me. Then I determined that I must be some kind of burr under your saddle to have been called out in what is otherwise an interesting discussion about teaching, dialogue and Philippine blogging. And assigning me to FV as if I were chained and bound to there is downright slander.

    Any quote delivered out of context can be framed as idiocy.

    I’d invite others to visit my blog site to find out what Joe America thinks in bigger context. I’d rather they put me in a box themselves rather than have you try to stuff me in one through a couple of quotes aimed at serving your purpose, not mine. They can visit http://thesocietyofhonor.blogspot.com/. Ironically, my latest blog deals with education in the Philippines. And it is also worth noting that one of Mr. Aquino’s top goals is improvement of Philippine education. I’m sure you back him on that.

    In short form, I believe in the high road, not the low. I believe in constructive debate, not name calling. I believe in respect for the president of the nation unless he proves that he is bad for the country. Mr. Aquino is not even in office yet. The terms assigned to him that I found fault with were comparison to Hitler, moron, psycho, retard, etc. It ran on and on. I was reminded of the lunacy of the Salem Witch Hunt, when all logic was cast aside in the frenzy of the feeding.

    I suppose I should be honored that you found my comments worth reading, even if you believe I am wrong-headed. I’d be more honored if you actually understood what I was saying and respected my personal preference for a kinder dialogue and a higher level of respect for others.

    ps. Mark Twain is one of my favorite American writers. Try Ambrose Bierce sometime, “The Devil’s Dictionary”, perhaps. I think Twain would make great fun of the vanities to be found on AP.

    • mel says:

      @Joe America

      Mr. Aquino’s top goal is improvement of education? He was a Congressman and a Senator for many years, where are his initiatives? Distributing a bag with school supplies AFTER winning the election – is that what he means with improving the education?

      Education is still a strong legacy of the USA to the Filipinos. Educated Filipinos are all over the world. The roots of the problems must be addressed why the Filipinos cannot afford Education. Everyone can issue a vague statement to improve something. The Filipinos need concrete solutions.

      I visited your blog but for now I have enough with idealism. Believing will not solve the Filipino problems. Facing the reality – that is the BIG challenge.

      • Joe America says:

        mel,

        Thanks for the visit. I agree, the important thing is to get tangible with solutions.

      • mel says:

        Joe,

        would like to share with you the sentiments of hundreds of poor families in Albay, Region V, where Gov. Joey Salceda and Noynoy Aquino promised a P5000.00 scholarship grants PER family during the campaign period. Now, after winning the elections, the Governor’s Office in Albay has a lot of reasons why they cannot provide the scholarships to the children.

        This is the kind of election we have in the Philippines. Politicians taking advantage of the poverty of the people, giving them hope, promising them a better life, etc. Aside from these bubble promises, people in the Barangays, mostly in the poorest areas, are being threatened and harassed by local politicians come election time. I have experienced this. Suppression is being done in a quiet way. I was in Europe for 17 years and when I came back to the Philippines, I can say that democracy is only a meaningless word. If you open your mouth, you will be harassed and even killed.

    • Hyden Toro says:

      Hey Joe America;

      Americans are frank. They don’t beat around the bush. If there is something wrong with their country. American Patroits will heed the call to right it. Look at the FBI agent (Deep Throat), who leaked to the Media the Watergate Scandal. Almost all participants of the scandal were jailed. Nixon almost was jailed. But, he resigned instead.

      The Philippines is different. We are not assertive people. This Anti Pinoy Blogsite have Blogers, learning to be assertive. To take back their country. From the Feudal Oligarchs; that peddles the U.S. State Department’s EDSA revolution. Truth hurts. However, it is a catharsis, for us to heal our country. We are a sick country. The only way a patient will begin to heal, is to accept his illness. We, Filipinos must face our realities, in order to change our mindsets. This is the first step. Not, hoping for Noynoy Aquino to do some miracles. Because, he has no competence to do so….

      • Joe America says:

        Hey Hyden,

        Nice to read your comments again. I wondered where you went.

        There are indeed all kinds of patriots, and the protesters are often in the lead . . .

      • Hyden Toro says:

        Hey Joe America:

        I was busy earning a living in the good old U.S.A. America was built by Great People, because they did not agree with their governments. Persecuted people from all over the World. Some came to worship what they want to worship; some came to think freely; some came for adventure; some were opportunists; some bad; some good. It is what made America great. I’m am a Filipino by heart. I love my country. I care for its people. It really hurts me to see them deluded by their leaders. This is the reason, I am blogging. Inspite of my busy work load.

    • ilda says:

      Hi Joe

      Where is my “Thank you Ilda for promoting my blog?” hehe.🙂
      ———-
      Well, there is no way that your comment to morga’s blog can be taken out of context because I provided the link to the full commentary for people to see. Yes, I only provided an extract but it means what it says. You’ve been accusing AP of being divisive since last year even before Noynoy came to power. I can actually gather all the comments you made as evidence to this but that would be too petty you know. What I don’t understand is why? You know there is something wrong with the Filipino culture and that Noynoy is incompetent and has been saying so many silly things.

      You are well read and not to mention an American. You very well know what we are trying to do here so just accept that we are here to stay. There is no need to cry foul every time you read something that does not agree with your views. You should practice what you preach and not take things too personally. Admit it, you were engaging in personal attacks as well. Here’s what you said to morga recently:

      Who’s the “we” in your statements. And that “Hey guys . . .” line you used above, rallying your lackeys behind you. Who appointed you the leader of AP minds? I prefer The Judge myself. He sees things better…

      You pretend to know debate, false analogies and all, so you must use insult and intimidation with intent. As for debate of issues, I’d love to . . . but not when dealing with a twit who goes personal at the first objection.

      I don’t like you, so just go about your business. You are irrelevant to me.

      You can’t say that and expect people not to fire back. You should know what it’s like being in the firing line because you’ve been in the military. Strong words should be easier to dodge than a bullet.🙂
      Cheers mate!

      • Joe America says:

        You forgot the part where Morga referred to me as lizard brain or somesuch because I took issue with a couple of his points, an unkind remark which caused me to flame up and out. That is divisive, as it divided me from the issue; the personal slur was wholly unnecessary. The topic he raised was important, the point of view valuable. Why does disagreement require a slur from so many? Where is the latitude to point-counter-point, to listen, to hear, to respond respectfully. He’s a smart dude. He could have used the approach ChinoF used, which was respectful, and which shifted my thinking a bit (about respect for the office of president, as distinguished from the person). I’m here to learn. Morga only taught me that he is a person to have nothing to do with.

        I think it is a real cultural quirk, destructive, when people go to attack rather than debate. Where is diplomacy, nuance, consideration? Too much ego, too much problem with the old self esteem, I fear.

      • Parallax says:

        you STILL haven’t thanked ilda. just reminding you.

      • BongV says:

        a person with high self-esteem wouldn’t pay attention to the lizard man comment and go for the meat of the argument. the fact that you did… hmmmmm…..

      • ilda says:

        @BongV: Correct. And Joe should follow his advice and not take things personally. I don’t recall morga addressing Joe directly when he said the word “reptilian.”

      • Parallax says:

        more sensitive than a filipino joe has become.

        contagious the antipinoyness of pinoys seems to be.

        a revolting development joe should find himself in.

        uncertain the hope for this guy is.

        (i gotta lay off the star wars dvd, but jabba the noy is everywhere on tv.)

      • Joe America says:

        My self esteem goes up and down depending on the alignment of the planets, the day of the week, what events I am facing, and what I ate. I rather suspect that is normal, and only a self-deceptive person in denial would hint that this is in some way unusual. Hmmmm . . .

        Plus I don’t like American style partisan politics, and have taken up the issue of fighting against such name-calling, reality show blather . . . I have little patience in my old age, also . . . hmmmm

      • BongV says:

        you have little patience due to old age, i have little patience due to seeing lotsa stupid people. to each his own.😆

      • Parallax says:

        @joe, the delusion is in believing that the wild diametrically opposed mood swings you’re having are normal. maybe the matra of woooosaaaaaahhh might bring a little consistency back.

        or not.

      • Parallax says:

        typo: mantra.
        i need coffee.

    • benign0 says:

      @ Joe America

      That thing that puzzles me about you is the inconsistency between what you write on your blogs and what you sometimes post on the comment threads, not just here in AP but on FV as well. And it is not just inconsistency between your blog articels and your comments but between individual comments as well.

      More often than not you’d be almost Vulcan-like with the tightness and soundness of your logic – specially on your blog posts. But there are times you’d regress to some sort of new-age emo wus and retreat into the comfy fuzziness of the circles of a few bozos whose names I shall not mention (you probably know me to enough of an extent to know a few of who I might be referring to) – some of whom are far more rabid name-callers, ad hominists, and non-constructives. Worse, some of them switch positions by the day or week (worse, because this fickleness indicates a complete lack of personal conviction and your seeking solace in such characters all the more makes you someone difficult to come to grips with).

      Just my two cents, sir. Take it or leave it.🙂

      Btw, before you liken some stuff here with AP to what you perceive to be a “lunacy of the Salem Witch Hunt”, consider these first:

      (1) Unlike the Salem witch hunters, the Inquisitors, and the Nazis, the ideas of writers here at AP are open to critical challenge. Indeed, it is the whole point of the blog format. The comment threads are open and largely free of any moderation.

      (2) Much of the nine years of Arroyo’s administration was itself subject to the same lunacy coming from both the Media and the cadre of Establishment Bloggers led by that collective blog that you’ve been (fairly or unfairly, whatever) associated with. I’d begin to count on my fingers how many of these Establishment Bloggers who delivered the most single-minded jeering of Arroyo maintained an open comments policy on their blogs and just off the top of my head come up with only one: MLQ3 (a guy, I tip my hat off to for keeping an open-door policy on his blog even in the face of overwhelming contrarians that may dominate the threads there every now and then).

      I personally would consider Noynoy Aquino a bozo’s bozo. Add me to your box of witchhunters then, given this categorical declaration coming from me. Noynoy is in a class of politicians probably occupied by only two men — him and Erap. Between the two of them, they probably capture 99% of the renowned dysfunction of Pinoy culture many of us here in AP have been writing about for the past 10 years. So it’s nothing personal. He’s just one bozo who just happen to have walked into our crosshairs and flashed his iconically moronic “L” sign once too often.

      • Joe America says:

        Benign0

        Your two cents always appreciates highly by the time it arrives in my in-box because I know that you read a lot and think whilst doing so.So you have depth of perspective. You have me pegged correctly, I fear, as I am the consummate intellectual butterfly, floating from rational to emotive depending on the color of the sky or passion of the moment. I even catch myself telling lies now and then. Have you read “Night Train to Lisbon”, by Pascal Mercier? Not the easiest read, but good for moments when introspection is important. I’m currently soaking it up, as it expresses how well we deceive ourselves.

        Thanks for the candor. Given like a friend . . .

      • Parallax says:

        you said

        I am the consummate intellectual butterfly, floating from rational to emotive depending on the color of the sky or passion of the moment. I even catch myself telling lies now and then.

        so it’s confirmed. you admit you are a drama queen.

      • Parallax says:

        you’ve also admitted to a wishy washiness revealing of quite observable phoney convictions.
        too late now; it’s already documented.

      • benign0 says:

        @ Joe America: Perhaps your hanging out in FV for too long is taking its toll. Stick around and join us as we all work towards turning that little fluttering butterfly in all of us into a soaring hawk.😉

        Interestingly I’ve read a review about Mercier’s book sometime in the past — maybe in Time magazine or something. I’ll check see if I can dig it up, or better yet, go to old reliable google…

      • Joe America says:

        Parallax,

        Yes, on any given day, I am a wishy washy, drama queen, manipulative and full of deceits. On other days, I am a forthright, rational, incisive and well-spoken analyst. On yet other occasions, I am a poet, a basketball player, a dancer, a swimmer, a marksman, a doting father, a negligent father, a dreamer, a pragmatist, a lover, a fighter, a guitarist, a malcontent, a grouch, a wit, a dullard, a traveler, a homebody, an executive, a laborer, a giver, a taker, a teacher, a student, an arrogant twit . . ..

        What would YOU have me be? Another YOU?

        Christ, some of you people are so full of yourselves . . .

        Benign0,

        Hawk . . . interesting choice. Since I was a kid, I always imagined that, if given a choice of animals to become, I’d pick a hawk That majestic soaring . . .. Then I remember they mainly dine on mice.

      • Parallax says:

        have you become another me, joe? that’s the best idea you’ve put forward all week! no more wishy washiness. no more drama where there shouldn’t be any. you’re no less full of it than the yellow emperor himself, only he has to get his speech written by someone else. and trust me, this is not a compliment.

        interesting you picked a hawk. last time i hawked i did it privately.

      • BongV says:

        “What would YOU have me be? Another YOU?” – take your own prescription Joe😉

      • Hyden Toro says:

        Hey Joe America:

        Maybe you have a trouble with your personality: a multiple personality? Or worse: BiPolar Disorder?Some days high, some days low? I would recommend you consult a good PsychoAnalyst or a good Psychologist or even worse a Psychiatrist? They can help you to understand your personality; or treatr you with the disorder.I assure you. You will never be in a continual fluctuations of ambigously determining who you are…they can really help…we have good medicines…good medical professionals to help nowadays.

    • HalleluyahHymen says:

      “In short form, I believe in the high road, not the low. I believe in constructive debate, not name calling. I believe in respect for the president of the nation unless he proves that he is bad for the country. Mr. Aquino is not even in office yet. The terms assigned to him that I found fault with were comparison to Hitler, moron, psycho, retard, etc. It ran on and on. I was reminded of the lunacy of the Salem Witch Hunt, when all logic was cast aside in the frenzy of the feeding.”

      What kind of “constructive debate” do you want when all you do when being cornered in your arguments is cry like a century old guy in a wheelchair who keeps on telling his stories about “hanging on a cliff”, “marrying a filipina”, “been here, done that” kinds of phrases? You always come in a I AM AN AUTHORITY… an AMERICAN… A RETARD (oops sorry a RETIRED)… I AM FULL OF FnCKING WISDOM kind of CONTEXT because I’ve read AYN RAND and MARK TWAIN… ohhh S H I T…

      Aquino has been in public office for more than a decade… HE HASN’T DONE ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT… except WINNING THE PRESIDENCY. There is a difference between WITCH HUNTING and SPECULATING!!! SO STOP WHINING!!!!

      • Joe America says:

        Interesting. You’ve read a lot of my stuff, clearly. I appreciate that. You sound like a young whippersnapper, and you obviously don’t grasp what age does to the mind. It makes it brittle, closes it off to anything but personal recollections. We retards shriek to ourselves that “the end is coming, the end is coming! What does my life stand for?” We tell the same stories over and over again because we forgot that we told them already. We are not really interested in what other people have done because we are busy justifying our existence. Our peckers fall limp, but we still see pretty girls and shout to ourselves, “get up, get up, dammit”. It’s hell, I tell you. Pure hell.

        Some day you’ll get it. Keep thinking about it . . .

    • BongV says:

      joe:

      i beg to disagree, if mark twain were alive today, he and the AP crew will be drinking beer and having shrimps and crawfish. get over it.

      • Joe America says:

        BongV,

        I’m over it. Yes, you are probably right about Twain. And I reflect on the Musso Frank crowd of Hollywood writers trying not to get blacklisted as commies. Between the choice of doing nothing, and being blunt, being blunt is better.

    • Jay says:

      @Joe

      And it is also worth noting that one of Mr. Aquino’s top goals is improvement of Philippine education. I’m sure you back him on that.

      Just to sound off the sentiments of some in this site, if he cared so much about it why has he not made a focus even when he wasn’t running for president? Even as a senator, NO, even as an AQUINO he had a chance to make a big contribution regarding such fields as the trends of Pinoy education.

      I was reminded of the lunacy of the Salem Witch Hunt, when all logic was cast aside in the frenzy of the feeding.

      Funny, are you going to be referring to Noynoy’s corrupt head hunting when he comes to office like that as well? Because surely the lunacy in that is trying to pin the problems on obvious, but not the real solution. Or pretty much the same when everyone considers GMA as the worst president when in reality, she paid a high price to help run a high maintenance country from its high maintenance elites?

      Do you consider kinder dialog has having too much respect for political correctness? Because you lose a lot in the message at times trying to play nice to the emotions of people when they don’t know the real crime of omission.

      • Joe America says:

        Jay,

        I appreciate the perspective. During the campaign, I dropped away from Aquino for Perlas, eventually, because I recognize Mr. Aquino has just about a zero track record of accomplishment, and I also worry that he is the puppet of too many people. I don’t know who is really being elected because I don’t know his handlers or what they stand for.

        But I still carry with me the American idealism that the President is duly elected by the people, and deserves respect. Mr. Aquino represents the Philippines to the world now, like it or not. I’d say do all that you can to shape his policies and programs, but when Filipinos call him “retard”, it reflects on all Filipinos, around the world. I’m no longer a campaign advocate, and I believe in issuing both carrots and sticks, so if Mr. Aquino is high on improving education, that is a credit to him. I hope he gathers many more credits, and that people are forthright enough to recognize them.

        Plus, I don’t like it when people insult those who voted for Aquino because they had a choice to make, and did the best they could. My wife voted for Aquino, and I know she was diligent at studying the choices and serious about her vote. I won’t get into her life story for fear of setting Hyman off on another rant, but she warrants no insult from anyone.

      • ilda says:

        @Joe

        Plus, I don’t like it when people insult those who voted for Aquino because they had a choice to make, and did the best they could.

        They had a choice to make and chose someone for his popularity instead of competence. The election was an exercise in futility because the minute Noynoy agreed to run, he was already the winner only because of his name never mind that he really doesn’t have integrity. The other candidates clearly had no chance. I saw no evidence of people using their critical thinking faculties in their choice.

        I hope you are not taking all the Noynoy criticism personally just because your wife is a Noynoy supporter. It’s starting to look that way to me.

      • BongV says:

        do it the american way… walk into the yankee stadium wearing a red sox cap – and ask who’s your daddy now

      • ilda says:

        @Joe

        But I still carry with me the American idealism that the President is duly elected by the people, and deserves respect.

        You are assuming that the election in the Philippines is as clean as the election in America. Please be informed that there is actually a group who is working on proving that the recent election was rigged. Please read the following:

        Dear Fellow Citizens and Patriots,

        Today, we stand at a crossroad in our history. What we allow today can unmake us as a nation or change our destiny forever. It is in our hands to create the future that we deserve.

        Many of us had hoped that poll automation would begin a new era of clean, orderly, and honest electoral exercises. Unfortunately, it is increasingly clear, based on forensic evidence, the glaring technical weaknesses of the system, and the absence of vital security features, that poll automation in the May 2010 elections was heavily compromised, both on the local and national levels.

        Equally distressing, the Commission on Elections wantonly ignored and set aside many vital requirements of the Automated Election System Law (Republic Act 9369). In addition, Congress violated constitutional provisions governing the canvassing of votes for president and vice president. These call into question the very legality and Constitutionality of the entire elections and the proclamation process that followed.

        Parallel to these are numerous complaints from both candidates and voters. Different individuals have testified, under oath, that there was a group, claiming links with some officials of the Commission on Elections and Smartmatic, that offered national and local positions to the highest bidder. These allegations cannot be ignored and need to be vigorously investigated.

        We are alarmed that a central feature of our democracy, the electoral process, was apparently electronically designed to benefit the highest bidder. If so, we face a future where our political system and the country will be controlled by drug and gambling lords, crony businessmen, and others who have the money and moral deficit to buy the victories of all candidates, from President down to councilor!

        There are many decent Filipinos who will not take this betrayal of our democracy sitting down. We have decided to come together to create a movement for a decent, upright, just, dynamic, and progressive country.

        We call our initiative, the “Movement for Integrity in Governance and Honesty and Truth in the May 2010 Elections (MIGHT e2010)”. This is a non-partisan gathering of civil society organizations, political groups, business entrepreneurs, and concerned citizens.

        MIGHT e2010 has three goals:

        1) To unravel the truth surrounding the May 2010 elections;
        2) To restore honesty and truth in our electoral processes;
        3) To advance moral integrity and true service in the governance of our country.

        We have tried very hard to air these issues in many different public fora. Unfortunately, the major media outlets, which are clearly biased, have refused to bring this to the people’s attention.

        Furthermore, the Joint Committee of Congress and the House Committee on Suffrage did not properly investigate this matter. The committees were led by officials who obviously had their own agendas and blatantly tried to stop the truth from coming out.

        With the failure of these institutions and the injustice that has been done, we have no choice but to bring the facts directly to the people.

        MIGHT e2010 has the preponderance of technical evidence and legal proof to show that the May 2010 election was fraudulent and illegal. New evidence and witnesses will be also bared in an open forum.

        For Honor. For Love of Country. For the Truth

        Here’s the link to their website: might-e2010.com

        We all know that they have very little chance of getting justice but you have to understand that there are many people who do not believe that Noynoy’s win is legit.

      • ilda says:

        @Joe America:

        Mr. Aquino represents the Philippines to the world now, like it or not.

        That is where the problem lies. It’s hard to accept that from now on, people from other countries will assume that everyone in the Philippines is like Noynoy.😦

      • Parallax says:

        It’s hard to accept that from now on, people from other countries will assume that everyone in the Philippines is like Noynoy.

        it’s hard to accept that people in other countries think all filipinos are dumb*.

        *for electing him

  13. miriam quiamco says:

    I have to take a sympathetic stand here for Joe at the risk of being branded an emo-commenter. As an expat myself in a small country where people are forced to relate to others without much breathing space, it seems a natural reaction to be accommodating of views around you. The AP rhetoric will certainly not put me in bad light if I share my perspective with people who I am in intimate contact with. But on the whole, the Filipino community here in Kyoto still possesses that Filipino sensibility of keeping social harmony at all costs by avoiding topics that invite confrontation. I have been to social gatherings where the interaction is basically on “feel good” mode, you walk away from the party feeling mindlessly good for endless empty bantering and excessive deference to those who are higher in academic and social status. This is a microcosm of Philippine society, over the years, I have learned to survive on less socializing with the Pinoys here because I finally got bored with the same stale socials, and also perhaps, I have developed my own social niches which are not restricted to the pinoy friends only.

    With Joe, it must be hard to be an expat in a country where nothing is honestly discussed and social exchanges are limited to bland social topics. On face to face encounter, a Pinoy could get easily worked up if you challenge his beliefs in Politics, and most especially, if you are a foreign national being too outspoken and truthful, you will soon find yourself ostracized and the topic of gossipy conversations. Thus, Joe has to be diplomatic and his defense mechanism is carried over in his blogs. I admire foreigners who have the guts to live in the Philippines, it is not easy because of strong social conformism that society demands from all. Joe is probably just being diplomatic in his judgment of the 15 million clueless Filipinos who voted for Noynoy and especially with a close person to him using emo-politics in her choice of candidate. I am sure Joe is just being an understanding husband to his wife in not being honest with his rational calculations of Filipino political culture. I recall reading a comment by Lila in response to what he wrote about his wife being an Aquino voter, and she said your wife is wise to vote for Aquiino. And I thought to myself, wow, for a smart woman, Lila is certainly not using her brains here, N/A has duped her as well with a lot of that gooey Cory magic.

    So you see Joe, I am living up to your description of me as a good hearted person, funny, you have that impression of someone you have not met in person.

    • ilda says:

      @miriam quiamco: Regarding Joe’s dilemma of having to be diplomatic while in the country, I can understand that because he still has to live among the people he is criticizing. The problem is though; I still don’t understand why he acts like he does not understand where we are coming from. He does not have to hide how he feels because his neighbors don’t log on to AP and he is using an alter nick anyway. I can only attribute his taking offense at our blogs about the Filipino culture to the fact that he still does not know Filipinos well enough. He has not lived in the country long enough to understand how deceptive some Pinoys can be. I am pretty sure that because he is a white guy, Filipinos are always nice to him. Joe probably gets baffled and confused why people who can be so nice to him can also live in disharmony with their neighbours. It would be pretty hard for him to put the pieces of the puzzle I’m sure.

      • Joe America says:

        Ilda,

        This is the first time I have ever seen you type pure rubbish. Condescending and wrong. I have been ripped off in the Philippines every time I turn around. Snarled at in government offices and retail stores. I’ve been deceived, lied to and threatened with being shot. I’ve also been treated kindly, given a wealth of smiles, and had a good time.

        Please stop representing me to others. I can do it myself.

      • ilda says:

        @Joe America:

        This is not the first time you’ve told me that what I wrote is pure rubbish. I’m beginning to think that what you are saying is pure drivel.

        Now you’ve lost me. You’ve experienced all that and you still find time to defend that kind of behaviour?!? You have no excuse then for contradicting us. I thought you had this delusion that everyone is so great in the Philippines but now you are saying that you’ve experienced the worst kind of behaviour from Pinoys but still think it is ok. Tsk-tsk.

    • ulong pare says:

      … daaang

      … wow… i bet you all start with a group hug…. tag teams… got to work more on that, fellas…

      … i could tell that something had happened to your pride, y’all…

    • BongV says:

      when i first come to any city, i check out the fil-am scene – the clubs and associations. it’s the same dinner/dance/speech routine that you have to deal with. in my current city – there are easily 33 fil-am associations more or less made up of the same members and officers.😆

      it’s funny really – when one association launches a dinner-dance – and another association has a dinner/dance – the associations wind up fighting for the audience – next thing you know the officers of each association (for the purpose of Filipino unity) are fighting😆

      no difference between the modus operandi between associations. that’s why i opted for a foundation and run it like a corporate firm – i minimize the headaches in terms of policy direction!

      in terms of socials, i have learned to choose which ones to attend – and lately, i don’t even want to attend because there’s a lot more fun things to do with my spare time than to mix with a crowd which emanates different “vibes”. i just have a small crew of empty nesters, we bring our lead/bass/rhythm guitars on a weekend, with drums and amps – get the wine flowing – and have a jam session.. bong marley.. to bong jovi😆

      sportswise – hard to find tennis partners – everyone wants to play basketball. can’t find a beach volleyball crew either – pinoys don’t want to darken their skin from sun exposure. movie-wise, I hate Filipino movies (excluding the ones made by Lino Brocka and Laurice Gillen) – it’s the same tired plots of rich and poor. volunteer activities like fun run – pinoys would rather have a novena or mahjong. so, when it comes to my free time and fil-am associations – forget it – am only going if there’s some really good chow – and even that is not an assurance because I know how to cook and make a mean gambas ajillo with garlic rice as well. so the long and short of it – i’ll rather go solo, or have a party for two – walang pang istorbo and you can party till you “fly to the moon, jupiter and mars”😆

      then there’s the dinner dance na 10% dinner, 30% dance, 60% speeches – shet, that’s why I don’t attend those Fil-am dinner dances, the officer speeches are as long as War and Peace. this year, i’ll organize one – and NO SPEECHES, NO RAFFLES! just rave till the break of dawn.

      • mel says:

        @BongV

        am lucky with the Swiss, Britons, Germans and Russian friends here in La Union. They are not friendly like the Americans living here in my neighborhood, but they have “depth and sense”. They tell me the blank truth and I can do my “Kontras” without getting dumped. Emotional Filipinos have no room in their clubs. When we meet, it is for activities, good food with good talk, and not for “halli gallies”.

        17 years in Europe made me AntiPinoy:mrgreen:

      • ulong pare says:

        … daaang

        … in fliptown, usa… because of my greek/roman physique/look, flipflams invite me for one reason… as an exotic asian exhibit>>> dance tiniklings, moro-moro, sakuting, etc…

        … i felt abused…violated…😳

      • BongV says:

        aminin mo na.. ginawa kang Chippendales exhibit..😆
        enjoy ko naman.. buti’t di ka nahuli tekla at ginawang Bobitt..😆

      • ulong pare says:

        … daaang

        … you’ve mistaken me with somebody else…

        … that wasn’t me… i don’t do stuff like that… it’s against my religion…

        … i’m very educated, refined, molded by padre damaso… waaaaah…

        … fyi… i grew up in the convent… as madre superiora boy toy…😳

      • BongV says:

        aha.. exclusive D.I. ni made superyora😆

      • benign0 says:

        @ BongV: Let’s not forget all these bozos selling Amway products, jewelry, insurance, and naturopath stuff during these Pinoy functions. You can spot them a mile away and you’d best not to make eye contact with them.😀

      • BongV says:

        @b0: – hahaha.. i forgot to include that too

      • ChinoF says:

        Hahahaha, MLM stuff! DXN might be part of the mix and all that other stuff, but these are pretty benigh compared to Amway.

    • miriam quiamco says:

      Brilliant videos Jose Rizal II, oh, that’s why you were not posting comments here for a while, you were busy producing these funny/witty videos. We should promote your videos here and everywhere, more Filipinos should watch them. . . Could you perhaps get Channel 5 to air them?

    • benign0 says:

      hmmmm, I must say that’s one helluva video…

      httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_TaeC29tM

  14. ulong pare says:

    … daaaang

    … it does not matter who’s at the flipland’s helm…

    … flips are a joke… even bush people or somalians do not take flips seriously….

  15. Joe America says:

    Ilda,

    Yes, I take insults to my wife personally.

    But she is only an example of the reason that I dislike namecalling. Real people inhabit the world. Real, fallible, earnest people. Given a choice of condemning others for thinking differently, or trying to understand why, I choose understanding.

    I am not Pro-Aquino. I am pro-independent thought. When I engage an issue, it is my responsibility to be as clear as I can to explain my position. What is the point of trying to force others to my view by calling them names?

    And I clearly have a different set of patriotic values than many who contribute here as it pertains to respecting my country, my president, my military, my constitution, my flag. But I also hold that burning the flag and other protests CAN be perfectly patriotic. I have a file in the Los Angeles FBI office due to my own protest activities regarding Viet Nam. I’m not anti-protest; I’m pro-unity when unity can contribute to the well-being of the nation. The Philippines needs to settle down from a record of contention and coups and find and display a more mature civic capability.

    I think Mr. Aquino deserves a chance to prove his mettle as president rather than be pre-judged by anything in his past, or who his sister is. He has an entirely different venue now, and he was elected legitimately. He should be judged based on results. Furthermore, it is ridiculous to expect that he will come down 100% the way “we” want on such results. Such vanity that is, to expect that others must always do it our way or we judge them fools.

    The Philippines would gain so much by having a respected president. I choose to be respectful.

    Also, I’m curious. You would have me stand silent if I disagree with something? It seems that whenever I disagree with namecalling or other AP themes, you tell me how wrong I am to do so.

    Ps, thanks for promoting my blog and provoking the love-fest offered up by your gaggle of sweet friends.

    • BongV says:

      Joe:

      Am way past the feudal ass-kissing of Presidents.

      Making presidents infallible ain’t my religion.

      In case you forgot – Respect is earned. Noynoy has not earned it.

    • Hyden Toro says:

      Hey Joe America:

      If you promise me the Moon. And we both know that you cannot deliver it. But, you and I and wall know; you are making an Ass out of me. Would you expect me to respect you? Noynoy Aquino overpromised us promises that are even out of this world. He is now in a dilemma, of trying to evade what he had promised to us. He is like a Burundian Ass, that will starve between two bales of hays.

      Promise only what you can deliver.Tell the truth. Don’t fool voters with gimmicks like: EDSA, my parents were Heroes, I’m capable of the job, etc…Your true color will come out when the reckoning time comes…

    • miriam quiamco says:

      Hi Joe,

      You should write some words of wisdom for those rude yellow fanatics at the inauguration of N/A who booed Arroyo as she exited from inauguration grounds. Oh boy, speaking of truly uncultured mob, that was a bad show to the dignitaries invited. No civility was shown to an outgoing president. This is why I am ashamed of my country, not that it is poor and undeveloped economically, the people are hateful and unable to control their emotional outburst even in a supposedly stately occasion like that. The Americans would never do that to George Bush even though by the time he left office his ratings were just as low as Gloria’s. You see the difference, the Americans it appears are more highly evovled than their brown counterparts in Asia. Since you are here telling us to be more respectful to the newly-elect, I think you should also show indignation at such undignified behavior by the yellow army. How truly disgusting!

      No matter how unhappy I am at the election of the most incompetent, I can never bring myself to do that to a person occupying the presidency, or just to any ordinary human being and certainly not at an occasion like that. Would perhaps that display of uncouthness from the yellow crowd prophetic of what is yet to come from the presidency? I hope not. . .

    • ilda says:

      @Joe America:

      Well, this is not about your wife so don’t take it personally. This is about fighting for equal rights and opportunity.

      Read all my blogs again and tell me where I blatantly used name calling. To associate me with name callers is equivalent to slander😉

      I am pro-independent thought. When I engage an issue, it is my responsibility to be as clear as I can to explain my position.

      You contradict yourself with the above statement. You say that and at the same time tell us to stop going against popular sentiment.

      The Philippines needs to settle down from a record of contention and coups and find and display a more mature civic capability

      You are not paying attention my dear. Where in this blogsite did you read anyone encouraging people to go to the streets and hold another people power revolt? That kind of mentality is actually what we are discouraging. We are all for “pro-independent thought”. Didn’t you read the title of the blog which includes the word “intelligently” as in “Filipinos should learn to question authority intelligently.”

      Your President Noynoy is the one who is quite possibly alienating the military and making them edgy.

      What is so disrespectful about being critical of our public officials? Are you saying Americans are doing it wrong when they criticise their public officials?

      Now, now Joe, you sound so emotional. You should know by now that AP fans are not very emotional. They are getrealist. You’ll never get them to be regulars on your blog if you keep this up😉

      • Joe America says:

        Ilda,

        You don’t use blatant name calling. You use sly denigrations, like saying “your Noynoy” as if I am joined with him at the hip or suggesting an emotional man is somehow out of step with reality. Emotional men write poetry, songs, paint, sculpt and even succeed as bankers, their being in contact with senses giving them a depth of understanding of the human condition that many either hide or neglect or plain don’t have. I have examined Noynoy’s strengths and weaknesses as rationally as possible, and said bluntly I would not have voted for him, but you keep twisting this truth because I object to the tenor of debate that often occurs here.

        You are smart, no doubt, the provocateur you reference in your description in the header. I wish your talent were spent more on building than provoking.

        I’m sorry this blog got so far off base, as the subject of education is important. I think that sometimes clipping people’s quotes and using them as the basis for commentary makes them the issue, rather than the true subject.

        As for name callers, and those using sly denegrations, I offer this assessment that will end up in one of my future blogs:

        “I think name-calling is the old, tired, dysfunctional way of Philippine ruling society. It is use of intimidation and insult to defend personally determined values of right and wrong. It does not build community. It does not articulate solutions. It is just the blogosphere’s version of the same-o same-o dysfunctional Philippine style that favors self-promotion and tearing down of others over building community, and building excellence.”

        Miriam,

        I agree that such displays are an embarrassment and fall short of the dignity we should aim for.

        Also, I think I’m right about your heart. I’m sure we will argue in the future. I have left leanings, you are more conservative. But I think we will never need to descend into insult.

        Joe

      • ilda says:

        @Joe

        You are smart, no doubt, the provocateur you reference in your description in the header. I wish your talent were spent more on building than provoking.

        I want people to think outside of the square; I dare people to break free from the bondage of slavery they impose on themselves. I want to make them realize that the situation they are in is partly of their own doing because they let their elected public officials get away with running the country to the ground. I want people to try something new, for doing the same thing over and over is equivalent to insanity.

        As for building a community, I will use Benign0’s explanation waaay back in February: Here’s an excerpt:

        “Mr Joe America, in case you haven’t noticed yet, there are formidable edifices of dysfunctional Pinoy belief systems that need tearing down.

        I can’t speak for the rest of the AP writers but me personally:

        (1) I make no apologies about my personal goal to DESTROY, UNDERMINE, and CRUSH outdated, useless, and evendestructive hare-brained Filipino traditions, belief systems, and cultural baggage; furthermore,

        (2) If personalities come out of the digital woodwork and come across to me as embodiments of these cultural defects as well and ON TOP OF THAT continually emphasise certain things about themselves that have traditionally made ordinary Pinoy schmoes bow down to them in blind deference (i.e. they are credentialists, speculators on personal circumstances, and/or expect deference to themselves simply because they are “popular”, more “educated”, have “pedigrees”, etc.) I lay them on my dissection table, cut them apart, and hang the cancers on AntiPinoy and GRP.net for all to see with BETTER CLARITY.

        (3) For 10 years, I’ve not only expected but ENCOURAGED and even ACTIVELY ELLICITED the same level of scrutiny to be applied to the work I present to the public over the public forums and blogs I participate in and contribute to. I’ve been called an “OFW”, a “racist”, a “mailroom clerk”, a “paid hack”, and a “mental patient” in various guises. But here’s the rub: none of them stuck. In fact, I neither confirm nor deny any of these, because they remain irrelevant and inconsequential to my objectives as “benign0″. Indeed, some bozos are still in the middle of speculating on my true gender! Poor small minds nga naman talaga.

        A nation whose policies and rules are based on the assumption that everybody is a cheat and liar unless proven otherwise cannot long endure. Take a close look at our bureaucracy and its rules. It is burdened by elaborate and often unnecessary checks and balances so that nothing ever gets done in the process.”

        and this from Benign0 as well:

        “There is no Filipino tearing down Filipino here. That’s all in your mind (and probably in the minds of most FV inhabitants). It is all merely a clash of ideas dude.”

        Cheers!

      • Joe America says:

        That’s a fine agenda. So kindly allow me to think outside the box, stop misrepresenting me, and get on with your work.

      • ilda says:

        @Joe

        I truly believe that the people following this thread are smart enough to see that you have been consistently representing your own inconsistencies😉

        Ta-ta!

      • jethernandez says:

        Ey Fncktard Joe Am…

        What is your fncking point on “name calling”? Is name calling the main argument? You really don’t get it Joe… you are in an INTERNET FORUM… your never ending whine on “i am called by this name” or “i am called by that name” seems to be your mantra. just coat your onion skinned ego with other retards… STAY THERE!!!

        Miss me Fncktard?

      • benign0 says:

        Hey Jet, stand down, will ya. You made a good point otherwise. Let’s not undermine things by resorting to arguments of last resort.

      • jethernandez says:

        JoeAm would be fine without the mantra of heartaches and the “authority” syndrome. If the framework of the argument would be like…

        1. state one’s observable fact/phenomenon
        2. post the sources related to the phenomenon/fact
        4. cite OTHER persons’ opinion… analysis… synthesis…
        3. One’s personal opinion… analysis… conclusion (without any bickering, rant or mantra of heartaches in cyberspace fora and real life)

        … then it will be good and acceptable for everyone. all of the writers here use this framework… probably some of us do not realize it but that’s how it goes… we think with the same framework… write our ideas on the same framework… otherwise if the other one is missing… we use the “the arguments of last resort.”

    • Jay says:

      I think Mr. Aquino deserves a chance to prove his mettle as president rather than be pre-judged by anything in his past, or who his sister is. He has an entirely different venue now, and he was elected legitimately. He should be judged based on results. Furthermore, it is ridiculous to expect that he will come down 100% the way “we” want on such results. Such vanity that is, to expect that others must always do it our way or we judge them fools.

      The Philippines would gain so much by having a respected president. I choose to be respectful.

      I haven’t been following this drama much however this stuck out to me as the same sentiment as any other people have offered regarding what good things to expect of Noynoy. If you haven’t seen the news or events he has put himself before the inauguration, sad to say he did not prepare for his new role as the leader of the country. And to say that we shouldn’t criticise him is bogus. With so much uncertainty that he allowed to surround him, he hasn’t done much to assure what his 100 days would be or what his administrations’ goals are. Being in that top position where his decisions will affect the stability of the country definitely deserves the criticisms he gets. So it isn’t far fetched for us to expect the top fool to make the most out of his lack of preparation because the stability of the country is at stake. The same stability that the former, scapegoat president did her best to keep in line.

  16. ulong pare says:

    … daang

    … in defense of joe ‘merka…

    … flips/flipflams ‘bakwet to ‘merka/abroad when life gets tough… and, tried to change their appearance to be mistaken as local ‘merkan, i.e. eskinol whitened skin, nose job, bottle blond, rabid hip hoppers and egotspeak…:mrgreen:

    … victory joe stayed and helped flipland eco by spending his ssi patronizing local establishments…

    … see, joe ‘merka… eventhough you dog me out at flipvoice (fv), i still like you…:mrgreen:

    … long live, victory joe ‘merka…

    • Joe America says:

      ulong,

      If I dogged you out at FV, I was a twit extraordinaire, as you are a full-wit, to be distinguished from the half-wits about. It takes me three readings to examine your comments. One to die laughing. Two to understand the wisdom underneath the digs. And three to laugh again.

      I like you, too (choke, wipe), and am spending my ‘merkan dollars as fast as they come in from SS.

      • ulong pare says:

        … daang

        … joe ‘merka

        … flips/flipflams (fake ‘merkans) do not like my writing skill/style… it’s out of the norm, therefore, not ferpeckt like most of the posters here (AP) and in flipvoice (FV)…:mrgreen:

        … in flipland, English is mandatory… flips do not understand and have difficulties with it…. the only way to advance and pass the subject is by “parrotting” …:oops:

        … so, flips end up like parrots…:mrgreen:

        … the different accent is another story…

        … ay sus ginoo…

  17. red says:

    just curious.. does the city colleges and universities there at philppines has “critical thinking subject” as part of the curriculum? i only took associate degree at ama and enrolled 4 minor subjects at a local college then i migrated, so im not really familiar with the whole curriculum there…

    • J.B. says:

      Haven’t heard of that. Nonetheless, pol sci students are expected to led the packs. The only problem is universities and colleges still pretty much in dark ages. They still pretty much love the away of activism closely ties to Maoist rebellion.

    • palebluedot says:

      critical thinking subjects are integrated into the various specialty subjects here. i teach critical thinking subject in a non-formal school. unfortunately, it’s hard to facilitate critical thinking when the students do not even have an idea on the topics to be discussed, or did not prepare for it mentally and emotionally. for according to yoram harpaz, the formula for critical thinking is:

      good thinking = thinking skills + thinking disposition + understanding of knowledge
      (http://www.learningtolearn.sa.edu.au/Colleagues/pages/default/harpaz/?reFlag=1)

      my experience: filipinos want others to think for them. filipinos want to be spoonfed all the time.

      • ilda says:

        my experience: filipinos want others to think for them. filipinos want to be spoonfed all the time.

        You hit the nail on the head palebluedot

      • ulong pare says:

        … daaang

        … ay sus ginoo, pale naman…

        … my dalawang sentimos with regards to flipland education…

        >>> English is mandatory… flips do not understand and do have difficulties with it…. the only way to advance and pass a subject is by “parrotting” …:oops:

        … so, flips end up like parrots… :mrgreen:

        … the accent?… ay sus ginoo… kapag ibinato, siguradong bukol, sa tigas…😳

  18. red says:

    oh i c.. this subject is badly badly needed in our country.. students should be trained as “critical thinkers”. this is what i like in american educational system. america’s education may not be as advanced as those in asia and europe, but sure they do train their students to think well in school and in life..

    phil educational system may need to do a little rebooting in their system..
    dark age approach will not let us go any farther…

    • ChinoF says:

      Guys, I bought this book recently in National Bookstore recently, Critical Thinking by Moore and Parker, the 7th edition goes for around P335. Very helpful book.

  19. red says:

    “my experience: filipinos want others to think for them. filipinos want to be spoonfed all the time”

    exactly.. some filipinos are just lazy in all aspect esp in thinking. as what gordon said.. “filipinos dont want to think and analyze”.

    as per job hunting.. some of them complain bout having a hard time getting a job in this kind of economy, but they have not move their butt yet to look for a job. all they do is complain without doing any action..

    • palebluedot says:

      currently, our educational system teaches us to be employees only. being an employer is strange concept for most graduates (like some of us who are jesuit-educated). so they keep on writing resumes, taking courses that will fill up their resumes, not realizing that they can actually make their own businesses with the government’s initial support. gma tried to initiate the introduction of entrepreneurship in some college courses. i hope this will be carried on to this new administration…

  20. Teki says:

    Our entire educational system must be revamped. Our teachers and school accreditation systems are wanting. And i am not just speaking about public education but private education as well.

    Part of the reason why Filipinos are unable to question authority intelligently is being contributed by the huge polarity between government-sponsored education and/or non-sectarian education from Catholic sectarian institutions. The disparity in government-spending for national education is only 1% of the total educational budget of all private schools in higher education. (UNESCO Report, 2003)

    Catholic institutions hold sway over curricula especially for private schools. Member-schools of the private accreditation body PAASCU have the ability to change curricula outside of the normative DepEd curricula. Although this in itself is not altogether bad, it forms a weakness in building a more secular approach towards education standards. 9 out of 11 Board Members of the PAASCU come from religious private schools run by the Catholic Church.

    The ongoing conflict between the CBCP and DepEd about the inclusion of sex education in the national curricula is a prime example of how the Catholic Church wants our children to remain ignorant. CBCP asserts that sex education should be left to the parents. But the effectiveness of parental education about sex is not a solid solution. This conflict has prompted some parents at the behest of the clergy to file a class suit againt DepEd officials. Furthermore the appointment of Bro. Armin Luistro as incoming DepEd chief brings more concern to the church monopoly in dictating education standards across the country. Luistro was former president and chancellor of the De La Salle University.

    Indeed, i am not particularly hopeful that the Department of Education will continue to contribute towards our children’s ignorance. And despite all of GMA’s faults, her education policies and appointments were more in tune with the overall need for educational progress in the country.

    • ilda says:

      @Teki:

      CBCP asserts that sex education should be left to the parents.

      Great! The parents will just say “Don’t have sex” Full stop. That is really a sad situation. The church keeps trying to hold on to their power on everything. The poor Pinoys can’t do much because they are afraid to go to hell. They are really ignoring the problem.

      Hopefully, the new administration will continue with policies that have potential and not just throw them in the bin as a symbol of their disgust with GMA.

      • Lilly says:

        I guess the CBCP members are too cloistered and shut-in to see the reality that’s exploding in front of our faces. So they’ll leave sex education to the parents?

        Ha? Paano yung mga skwater? Yung mga tao na walang ginawa kungdi mag kantot ng kantot kaya nagkaroon sila ng sampung anak kahit na wala silang pera pampakain? Gusto ng mga obispo na mas maraming bata sa lansangan?

        Gusto ko silang paguumpugin eh.

        Sorry. I’m just a bit touchy about how the CBCP is actively pulling the entire country down to ruin. I wish they’ll just die altogether so they’ll meet God while leaving us to improve our SECULAR and WORLDLY quality of LIFE, thank you very much.

        *deep breath*

        Don’t take me wrong. I am religious. I am born of devout parents, but they at least have a better grip at reality. I’m angry not at the religion; but at the people who simply disregard the clearcut separation of Church and State. Leave the government to improve the quality of life. The men of the cloth should stop meddling with secular affairs and concentrate on the SPIRITUAL need of the people.

      • ilda says:

        @Lilly:

        “Go forth and multiply” was applicable when the population on earth was still small. They have to open their mind a little bit and realise how the world has changed now.

      • Jay says:

        Actually Ilda, go forth and multiply held a different meaning altogether but the clergy here took it as make as much babies as you can and you will have more blessings. A total disrespect for God’s common sense. Same concept with the clergy relegating Judas as THE TRAITOR for everyone to invest their emotional hate on when in reality, he did more good than harm (if we talk about the issue of his friends’ divinity).

      • ilda says:

        So true,Jay😉

      • Maikimai says:

        @Jay: I really got interested when someone brought up a “taboo” on the story of the Bible, 2 years ago. That Judas is the true martyr in Jesus’ story. If it weren’t for him, Jesus and the other disciples won’t be divinified, ika nga, “walang bida kung walang kontrabida”.

      • Maikimai says:

        @Lily: I once asked my religion teacher, “why is the Church so against the artificial contraception?”. She said, “Napakalaki ng mundo at malawak ang lupain na binigay ng Diyos, at madami pang lupain na pwedeng tirahan dyan”. I think she doesn’t look at her surroundings very well. If it was easy to look for a place to live then Manila shouldn’t be clogged with squatters, If you try to live somewhere that you do not own(e.g. a vacant lot) you will get arrested by the police for tresspassing.

      • ChinoF says:

        Maikimai, your religion teacher must have forgotten that nearly 70% of the earth is covered with water. Some people are using that to shoot down the Intelligent design concept.

      • NFA rice says:

        Well I think this is where CBCP gets it right. It is not the function of the state to determine how a child should grow up and it should not assume the responsibilities of parents.

        What the government and the church can do is to educate the parents about why sex education is important.

      • Teki says:

        @ NFA Rice:

        It sure is ideal if the government and the church can do is the educate the importance of sex education. However, history has taught us that policy executions in this regard have failed. During the Cory administration, part of the post-EDSA initiative was the revamp of Marcos’ 1969 POPCOM (Population Commission). The 1987 POPCOM issued what is officially called the Population Policy Statement of 1987. The first three guiding principles of the policy were:

        1. Orientation towards the over-all improvement of family not just fertility reduction
        2. Respect for the rights of couples to determine the size of their family and choose voluntarily the means which conform with their moral convictions and religious beliefs.
        3. Promotion of family solidarity and responsible parenthood.

        You can read an excerpt of the policy from this pdf: http://dirp3.pids.gov.ph/population/documents/1987PPS.pdf

        However, Cory’s PPS which was crafted in deference towards the religious leanings failed to take flight as national support turned indifferent as the focus of her government’s thrust shifted to simple management of deterring coups and the economy. During President Ramos’ time, the PPMP (Philippine Population Management Program) was initiated with Ramos vocally supporting the program despite pressures from the clergy. Of course, we know what happened to policies like this during Erap’s presidency.

        The Church, on the other hand, has been equally ineffective about preaching towards effective parenthood. Our population is still high and people are still poor – economically and otherwise. So what does this say about the effectiveness of educational efforts since 1969? 40 years have gone by and we are still not making any progress.

        For a fuller look at the PPMP’s progress from 1969-2001, you can take a look at this link: http://www.popcom.gov.ph/pdf/PPMPDirectionalPlan.pdf

      • J.B. says:

        CBCP got it all wrong. It is the function of the state to educate when parents and the church failed to curtail the growth of population which is primarily the biggest single headache of the state ilke the Philippines.

      • ChinoF says:

        There’s a principle in the US legal system called Parens Patriae. It reflects the power of the government to intervene in the family when it is believed that the parents have failed in their duties, such as in cases of child abuse or negligence. I think we need this applied properly in our society. I don’t believe in closing off the family from any outside intervention, because that is one way to keep solutions out.

  21. NFA rice says:

    @Teki

    I don’t have any idea how to solve overpopulation. It is clear however that the church is failing the people spiritually and the state is incompetent at planning and any good they do is too little. The only conclusion that can be obtained from the track record of these two is that they should stay away from educating the child in matters of sex. They can’t control the parents so we can’t expect them to be effective at nurturing a child.

    Sex is a personal matter and sexual behavior is largely influenced by nurture. Most of the sex education a child gets is from its immediate surroundings. In short it starts with the family. Once this is recognized, the church and state can help by pushing the ball a bit to start it rolling. Maybe they can begin with a good and extensive information campaign about overpopulation stressing the resources, respect for women, the merits of being prepared for a married life and small family size, and of course they can’t miss stressing personal responsibility.

    • Jay says:

      Well to add to the sex education, the impact of it isn’t felt when the girls are younger. It is when they have a family and decide how big it is going to be. The problem is some set the sizes WAY too high to support their income (or lack of). Seeing a poor, downtrodden mother trotting along her five kids is a somewhat common sight and you wonder what went through her head to create that much children when she can barely even feed herself. So yeah, family planning is certainly needed to address as well.

    • ilda says:

      When people refer to it as sex education, others become squeamish. Perhaps we should just refer to it as reproductive health education to remove the taboo associated with it. We have to face the reality. Parents are just too embarrassed to talk to their kids about these things. Raise your hands those whose parents spoke to them about sex? I don’t see any hands😉

      It has to be approached using science. We have to break it down to how the parts of the engine work. It shouldn’t be so bad. It’s just that the church keeps putting some kind of evil connotation to it.

      • mel says:

        The CBCP should go to Europe and take a look at Kindergarten books explaining how a child is born with illustrations. They will probably cut the pages showing a man and a woman naked in bed.

        Sex education as a pure science, and not as a malicious learning – this is how we should tackle the problem not only to control population but also for Filipinos to be responsible individuals.

  22. NFA rice says:

    @ilda
    I am thankful I graduated from an excellent university where there were only 30 students in our batch. What I regretted was that we could have learned more if redundant (subjects that were supposed to be learned in high school) minor subjects were optional. That way we could have more laboratory time to expand our technical know-how and studied more advanced topics to be able to know and understand the latest developments in our field. Know-how and up-to-date knowledge are what I mean by competitiveness. I also don’t think these two are confined to the technical field.

    • ilda says:

      @NFA rice

      Good point. The ratio in the classroom should be 1 teacher for every 25-30 students. Any more than that, the teacher will have a hard time dealing with everyone in the class. Unfortunately, the lack of funds for our department of education means that the classroom has to be filled in to the max!

      • NFA rice says:

        The curriculum should be overhauled. The ‘holistic’ bullshit that characterize the curriculum prevents the students from being good in their field. Too many subjects so the quality of education is compromised. Better have less subjects and be good at them. So the curriculum must be trimmed down. Minimize subjects that are of little consequence to the undergraduate program, and expand the major subjects. The minors should be optional. College students are adults so give them the freedom to decide whether to study some minor subjects and the freedom of choice as to which minor subject to take.

        Class size must be small too. I understand the colleges and universities would rather have it bigger. I think the government can set up a fund to subsidize universities and oversee it. The money comes from either tax levied on cigarettes and alcohol, entertainment (showbusiness and gambling) or contributions from the private sector. I don’t have an idea how much money can be collected but this merits further investigation/study.

      • ChinoF says:

        Wag lang tulad ng Chiz Whiz na tanggalin ang Math. Puking idiocy.

      • ilda says:

        @NFA

        You have a point about trimming the curriculum however, I find that students can benefit from subjects such as philosophy, history and humanities because it will help people have a better understanding of human nature. This will help them deal with the people they have to work with whether they end up owning their own company or being an employee later on.

  23. juanon says:

    Implying all bloggers are intelligent and automatically have a responsibility to teach.

    Do I sense a level of pretentiousness ilda?🙂

    • ilda says:

      On the contrary my dear Juanon, I did say that not all bloggers actually know what they are talking about. Kindly read the article again because I think you missed some parts. Here’s the part that’s so applicable to you and what you’re doing:

      “When a reader resorts to personal attacks, he or she exhibits symptoms of what is most likely to be a deep insecurity associated with an inability to comprehend the message of the article. This is not to say that there are actually bloggers out there who do not publish articles containing fallacious logic. Indeed, the Philippines, has its fair share of bloggers who pretend to be in the know. You can spot bloggers who do not know what they are talking about from a mile away. Just like the students who are daunted by the prospect of asking a question for clarification, bogus bloggers get intimidated by simple questions from their readers. They are also the ones who write articles based on fantasy or fiction and not on facts.”

      Ta-ta!

      • Parallax says:

        i just loved it when you handed him his @ss, ilda.

      • juanon says:

        Woah woah hold up dear. I was merely trying to humor you and lighten up the situation here after that whole Joe America thing above. I’m sorry if you misunderstood.

        Now what I am noticing however, as a long time reader here, is a certain level of hostility coming from your articles and comments Ilda. I must say I’ve enjoyed reading your articles in the past and I have agreed to a lot of your point of views, especially your analogy of the “pakisama culture” in the Philippines, but I have to disagree with your demeanor sometimes as it lacks, no offense, “professionalism” IMO.

      • ilda says:

        @Juanon

        You say that you have been a long time reader and admit to liking my points of view but the very first time you make a comment on one of my blogs you imply that I’m being “pretentious” and then expect me to be happy about it? Your second comment is still attacking me and lacking in details. This kind of behaviour is exactly what I was talking about in my blog. You are not being very specific about the why you think so and the when you think I was so. What is so hostile about my rebuttal to you? I even used the word “kindly” as in: kindly read the comment thread between me and Joe again and tell me who is being hostile 🙂

        The hostility and lack of “professionalism” you see in the articles and comment thread comes mostly from Noynoy and his supporters. Specifically:

        Hostility – from rabid Noynoy supporters
        Lack of professionalism – P- Noynoy Aquino

        PS. I’m prepared to dismiss this situation as pure misunderstanding if you are. Peace!🙂

  24. NFA rice says:

    It is about time a brave politician raises the issue of the separation of Church and State enshrined in the Constitution and put it in the public consciousness. Probably majority of people don’t know the clause exists in the constitution. To enforce it a law should be passed imposing taxes churches they endorse a politician and banning politicians from any public office when they seek political support from churches.

  25. NFA rice says:

    correction:
    “To enforce it a law should be passed imposing taxes churches they endorse a politician and banning politicians from any public office when they seek political support from churches.”

    should be:
    “To enforce it a law should be passed imposing taxes *on* churches they *when* endorse a politician and banning politicians from any public office when they seek political support from churches.”

    Didn’t check before posting. Need more coffee🙂

  26. NFA rice says:

    @ChinoF:
    Lol. you got me there. I hope he doesn’t mean removing math from the technical fields or math basics in grade school and high school. If that is the case he is an idiot.

    • ChinoF says:

      Haha. I agree with your basic message on not wasting the student’s time with the curriculum, but excluding math is even greater waste. Cheers.

  27. NFA rice says:

    @ilda

    I am not against the teaching of logic and some of the humanities to everyone. I think that dealing with people and understanding human nature is already being taught in the biggest classroom – life. To be concrete, I have a thing against Filipino being taught all the way to college. Same with English grammar. But I would love it when there is a familiarity with Philippine and other world literatures. At least the curiousity for that area has to be aroused. Other people not into the technical fields should be good in their area too.

    I think that critical thinking and logic is built-in into all areas of knowledge. One can look at the history of science and the humanities to see that such is the case. Excellence in one’s area of expertise equips one with the good tools to tackle real life and I want to see a nation where people are good at what they are trained for.

    • ilda says:

      I think that dealing with people and understanding human nature is already being taught in the biggest classroom – life.

      I can speak from experience in saying that my lessons in philosophy, sociology and anthropology helped me in my dealings with people. I wish everyone could experience the same thing. We can’t be too technical or else the ones with people skills will end up getting the senior roles. But then again, not everyone can be at the top🙂

      • NFA rice says:

        Well I come from the technical field. I started reading Russian literature, especially the writings of Dostoyevsky when a friend of mine lent me her copy of “Crime and Punishment”. It was so absorbing. I got more curious about D.’s other wirtings. The Brothers Karamazov and Notes from the Underground. There was a lot of philosophy in them. That was a couple of years after I graduated.

        Because of this experience, I can say that let the training be highly specialized to create a competitive people. Once this is done people from diverse educational backgrounds can interact together in their own free will. Let them be curious about each other’s knowledge after they have been trained in their own. Be good in one’s own and then share the knowledge. Everything need not be done at the formal education.

      • NFA rice says:

        To add, I can say that most of what I learned, I learned from my professional life, not from formal education. Formal education only serves as background material, a starting point. The starting point must be such that it is possible for the students to enrich themselves when their student life is over.

      • NFA rice says:

        My critique of formal education is that it creates another set of dogmas. To counteract that effect, some ways of effective communication between professionals of various fields must be established. Perhaps we need a sort of a society like the National Academy of the Sciences and a Humanist Society of the Philippines. Professionals within each group should have a free exchange of ideas and people from each society can be informed of the developments from another.

        I am not for making every Filipino intellectually competent. Human nature dictates that it is impossible. What the country needs is only a critical number of free-thinking people.

  28. Tony says:

    After seeing some AP’s authors’ comments here, I’m starting to understand the “attack mentality” Joe Am mentioned somewhere. Its true that AP has laid down on the table that they are against bad Filipino traits such as “balat sibuyas” which I too am very much against. And yet, some authors here show a bit of that trait as well. Or maybe its just one of those moments when the author was caught in a “bad mood”? I dunno…

    Just incase someone misinterprets me, I’d like to say that I am NOT “anti anti-pinoy” nor am I “pro anti-pinoy”. As I noticed that Filipinos tend to dichotomize people and only see them as either “with or against”.

    Cheers AP

  29. sparks says:

    Hello Antipinoys,

    I resent being made to seem like I were part of the ESTABLISHMENT. I’d like to think I have always been left of center. But cynicism does not equate being critical.

    That blog post “Pride in Seeing Possibilities” is a paean against cynicism. And against picking on people who don’t deserve the vitriol of Iya Justimbaste’s diatribe. And really faulty social science. Come on. How can you fault ‘culture’ for the ills of society?

    Yun lang po.

    That said, I too will soon be an economic refugee. Like most of you lot.🙂

    • ChinoF says:

      Anybody who sees nothing wrong with culture is most likely self-blinding.

      Good luck anyway in your refuge seeking.

      • sparks says:

        If you’re going to attribute all that is wrong with the Philippines to “culture” you’ll never find solutions.

        That line of reasoning will take you nowhere. And it is explicitly apolitical. Filipinos are stupid, idiotic etc. So what? Then what?

        All I’m saying is that instead of debating whether the egg precedes the chicken, other kinds of questions should be asked.

      • ChinoF says:

        There’s no more chicken and egg debate. We here clearly know what the problems are. I’m not really attributing all problems to it, but culture is a big factor, and it can’t be exonerated. Change of economic policies, culture change, educational change, building up resistance to media… just check out our posts here, we identify a lot of problem sources and have solutions if you’re willing to read through.

      • Parallax says:

        If you’re going to attribute all that is wrong with the Philippines to “culture” you’ll never find solutions.
        That line of reasoning will take you nowhere. And it is explicitly apolitical.

        the first thing you need to do to solve a problem (or a million stacked problems) is recognizing what the problem is. better if you could figure out why.

        you have a very myopic view of politics being the ONLY source of our troubles, sparks. the reality is, our culture’s flaws have made us put up with the dirty politics we have. something has to explain why 90 million people live the way they do, are led the way they are by idiots and shady characters, and think the way they think. culture explains it all, not politics. politics is just one of the ways culture (especially a massively flawed one) is exploited.

        Filipinos are stupid, idiotic etc. So what? Then what?

        then stop being stupid. stop being idiotic. is that too much to ask from you, sparks?

        All I’m saying is that instead of debating whether the egg precedes the chicken, other kinds of questions should be asked.

        so far between you and miss justimbaste, SHE has been asking the questions that do make sense.

      • benign0 says:

        If you’re going to attribute all that is wrong with the Philippines to “culture” you’ll never find solutions.

        I beg to differ, Ms sparks. Even corporations work on their corporate culture — and pay consultants lots of money to help them do so. Check out this slide presentation from a California State Univ learning module and you’ll see what I mean.

        Culture can be changed, so therefore there are solutions that focus on cultural change. And as a matter of fact, i already did propose a solution framework built around our culture-as-culprit thesis here, or perhaps as an alternative, check out this slide show for a more intuitive walk-thru of our thesis.🙂

      • GabbyD says:

        @B0

        so i’m curious: say you were interested in changing culture: how do you CHANGE CULTURE for a COUNTRY?

      • benign0 says:

        I’m glad you asked, Mr GabbyD!😀

        Check it all out in the Conclusion section on page 59 of my book (aside, of course, from all the material you will find if you follow the links I provided in my previous comment above).

      • GabbyD says:

        there’s nothing there in the form of a plan to change the culture of a country, UNLESS you mean we should make movies/TV shows that are of the “after-school special” variety?

      • Parallax says:

        leave it to the dimmest wit in the blogosphere to attempt finding answers where they’ve already been pointed out to him.

        what do you use for a brain, gabbyd? you just make it thoroughly impossible to overestimate you.

      • NFA rice says:

        So culture is not a problem. Can you tell us why Estrada is free and came 2nd place in the last election?

    • ilda says:

      @Sparks

      I don’t understand why you refuse to acknowledge that our culture is mostly to blame for why our country is in its present state today. Why else would people vote for someone like Noynoy if it wasn’t for our culture? Oh yeah, I guess the reason why you can’t see it the way we do is because you supported Noynoy! And your justification for supporting Noynoy is because you think he has integrity. There you go. You are part of the ESTABLISHMENT because you cannot think beyond the Aquino name. And despite supporting Noynoy and helping him win, you now admit that you will be leaving the country behind to suffer in the hands of Noynoy! But I can’t blame you for wanting to leave though. I don’t know you well enough to judge you for your decision.

      BTW, you did not handle that comment thread well in your blog “Pride in Seeing Possibilities.” You just simply abandoned it. Tsk-tsk. It just proves that you cannot defend your ideas. The fact that you are leaving the country soon means you do not see any possibilities for the country.🙂

      I give you brownie points though for not going berserk about being criticised unlike that former FV blogger whose name starts with the letter L.😉

      Good luck!

      • Caloy says:

        Lokwang? 8)

      • ArticleRequest says:

        @Sparks

        One of the main flaws of your blog “Pride in Seeing Possibilities” was that you equate being a realist with death of hope. You find Pinoys celebration over Manny Pacquiao “harmless”. Manny is a success who deserves to be celebrated but his win was not because of the Filipino people or a national Filipino program for boxing such as Afican nation’s programs for soccer players. He won in boxing on Manny’s pawis not Da Pinoy’s pawis. Da Pinoy village to raise Manny Pacquiao. Da Pinoy village did not raise Charice Pempengco, Lea Salonga etc. either.

  30. juanon says:

    @ilda

    I replied a couple times here in Antipinoy, I’m not sure though if I’ve replied to any of your blog post. Or I think I used a different name, can’t remember.

    To tell you the truth, I’m not really that fond of replying as I feel text can’t properly express emotions behind messages and sometimes leads to misunderstandings. And honestly, I hate “epal” commentators that disrupt the atmosphere here and lead to more misunderstandings in the comments section.

    Your explanation about your “hostility” and “lack of professionalism” however does clear things for me and so I apologize for if I came out as “attacking” you.

    So I guess this just a pure misunderstanding and let’s just leave this behind. Cheers🙂

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