Winnie Monsod's speech: Deference to elders is getting us nowhere

One of the country’s leading “economists” and University of the Philippines (UP) professor, Winnie Monsod recently did what many of our leading elites have been doing for the last several decades. She has managed to divide the sentiments of the citizens of the country once again. The issue is around the speech she gave to her economics students at UP that contained threats against those who plan to leave the country to work overseas and a labeling of them as disloyal.

The debate around this speech rages on, and this time it has moved to an article in response to Monsod, written by a Filipina doctor based in the USA, Joy Antonelle De Marcaida titled, “No Winnie, Filipinos who go overseas are not traitors” published in the GMA News.TV online.

The discussion over Monsod’s speech has reached fever pitch with comments ranging from agreeable to highly disagreeable. Discussions like that are not very common in mainstream publications online because responses deemed offensive normally get edited or disapproved by the editor, however, it is something we are used to here at AntiPinoy.com. In fact, I can only rejoice with the knowledge that such a discussion is now openly taking place in a more public forum. Finally, the ideas that we discuss in underground conditions here are slowly going mainstream. Exposure is really the key to bringing forth new and brilliant ideas to the attention of the common man.

Ironically, the last time I went to the GMA News.TV website to check the article, there was an advertisement on top of it promoting jobs overseas. Really, having that advertisement there for everyone to see should have been enough proof to those who agreed with Monsod that not everyone’s economic stability and happiness can be achieved within the Philippines. It makes the argument on whether or not it is unpatriotic to leave the Philippines to find a better opportunity overseas, pointless. Check out the ad for yourself:

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One can only hope that more Filipinos will start to realize that opinion makers like Monsod do not always say the right things and that people like Monsod who may have the best intentions, more often than not have misguided solutions to the problems of our country. It is unfortunate that since Monsod is considered part of the elite, she is highly sought after for her opinions by many similarly misguided Filipinos.

A lot of her “fans” tend to think that she is always correct in her recommendations. Never mind that she has always been in the country and has always been giving her advice, which means, if she was even right half the time, our country would be at par with industrialized nations in the first world by now. Her credibility is undoubtedly very questionable, indeed.

Monsod’s speech couldn’t have been more out of touch. In her speech, she was like a disgruntled lola who has reached the twilight of her years but has not had enough of the rock star treatment and so continues to ramble on about life even when she wasn’t making any more sense. The threats she made to haunt her students who go overseas after her death is enough indication that she is nearing the end of her wits.

Instead of using sound arguments to convince impressionable young adults to stay and serve the country, she used ghost stories effectively treating her students like they were still in kindergarten when the threat of being snubbed by Santa Clause or a visit by the Bogeyman in the dark of night still worked. Funnily enough, her threats worked because the video of her speech has gone viral and more Filipinos now think that the solution to our economic woes is for every Filipino to stay in the Philippines even if not everyone can be guaranteed a job in the market place or a decent quality life.

Coincidentally, in another part of the world, Italy is also suffering a brain drain. There are many young Italians who are frustrated with the current government headed by an octogenarian Silvio Berlusconi. At least the head of an elite university in Italy recently gave more realistic advice to the graduating students of LUISS University in Rome. In an open letter to his son published in the La Repubblica newpaper, Pier Luigi Celli wrote:

“This country, your country, is no longer a place where it’s possible to stay with pride…That’s why, with my heart suffering more than ever, my advice is that you, having finished your studies, take the road abroad. Choose to go where they still value loyalty, respect and the recognition of merit and results.”

The above letter sparked a session of national expression of distress. I guess the discussion in Italy was just a few notches above the debate sparked by Monsod’s speech among Filipinos here and abroad. Apparently, many Italians harbored the same sentiment and had articulated a growing sense that the best hopes for success for young Italians lie abroad.

According to statistics taken from a TIME magazine article, “the number of Italians ages 25 to 39 with college degrees registering with the national government as living abroad every year has risen steadily from 2,540 in 1999 to about 4,000 in 2008. The research institute Censis estimates that 11,700 college graduates found work abroad in 2006 – that’s one out of every 25 Italians who graduated that year.

There is even a book and a blog called The Flight of Talent which covers the exodus. It highlights the fact that even Italy is losing its best and brightest to a decade of economic stagnation, a frozen labor market and an entrenched system of patronage and nepotism. Surprise, surprise! Patronage and nepotism are so rampant in the Philippines with the Philippine President, Noynoy Aquino and his mates representing the very epicenters of such practice. It’s no wonder the best and the brightest in the country leave for abroad to seek better opportunity, something that Winnie Monsod needs to accept.

It seems that the problems of the youth in the Philippines is similar to what the problems of what young Italians are facing. The old generation is disregarding the young generation. Too much deference to the old folks is leaving the young people disenfranchised. The Italians even have a word for the problem.: gerontocracy, or rule by the elderly.

“Italy has always suffered under a hierarchical system, with the young deferring to authority until it’s their time to take the reins. You are not considered experienced based on your CV, on your ability or according to your skills, but just based on your age.” A quote from a disgruntled former Italian interviewed for TIME magazine. “When you are under 40, you are considered young.” In some cases, entry to some professions is so limited that such jobs have become hereditary. “In a country where success is built on relationship and seniority, only the friends and children of the elite have a chance to cut the line.” Why do I keep getting reminded of P-Noy when I read something like this? Ahh…it’s because P-Noy practically inherited the presidency from his late mother, former President, Cory Aquino!

Just like in the Philippines, Italy has failed to produce reform-minded leaders like David Cameron of the UK and Nicolas Sarkozy of France. Berslusconi is already 74 years old and serving his third term as Prime Minister and the country’s other political players haven’t been updated since the 1990s. This is so very similar to the situation in the Philippines where the same public officials have been in their post for decades.

The likes of Senator Juan Ponce Enrile and Miriam Santiago have been the stalwarts for so many decades in Philippine politics. Unfortunately, deference to the elders has also stifled the young guns from replacing them. This was evident in the last Senatorial election when the vacuum in the Senate leadership paved the way for Senator Enrile to take over the Senate presidency once again. Obviously, no one has the guts to take on the oldies.

Deference to elders is most probably the only reason Filipinos still look up to the likes of Winnie Monsod even if she hardly makes any sense. At least those who are already abroad like Dr Joy Antonelle De Marcaida was ready to challenge the professor’s flawed reasoning.

Young Italians who leave their homeland share the same sentiments as what the Filipina doctor wrote in her article, “ Filipinos overseas are self-exiles. We chose to leave our homeland when this became intellectually, politically, financially, artistically or philosophically limiting or oppressive. We are drawn to another country because of the vitality of its intellectual, scientific or artistic scene, its support and tolerance for innovation, progress and intellectual energy, and by its high regard for the immigrant who brings in new talent and skill, allowing him or her the freedom to achieve success, find his or her identity and express his or her ideas.

Only a handful of people want to leave their homeland and part with their loved ones because they want a sea change. Most people leave their homeland because there’s just not enough opportunity for them to stay.

In Italy at least, they don’t give threats to the people who leave the country or label them unpatriotic. Members of the Italian parliament who have started to wake up to the problem of brain-drain even created a bill to lure those who have left back to the country by offering them tax breaks. Italy was once a great country after all and despite their stagnant economy in recent years, excellence is still embedded in their cultural DNA so there is no doubt that their country will pull through this hiccup once public officials who are already dinosaurs are replaced with younger blood.

It’s hard to imagine lawmakers in the Philippines creating a bill to entice Filipinos living abroad to come back. There are no jobs waiting for them in the first place and the rest of the public are just happy to receive remittances from abroad while they call OFWs ungrateful for leaving at the same time. Who would want to come back?

Unless the Philippines recognizes that investing in the greatest resource – the youth, and creating incentive for them to stay and not with threats, the Philippines will be in a permanent brain-drain.

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108 Responses to Winnie Monsod's speech: Deference to elders is getting us nowhere

  1. WTF DUDE!!! says:

    generally people here in our country, hates people who use their heads

    people here never update their Values(even if they knw its badvalues) its soo goddamn STATIC!

    • ilda says:

      Good observation Dude!

    • Aegis-Judex says:

      I actually lampshaded that in my poem, WTF. If ilda wishes to, she can lead you to it.

      • ilda says:

        Hi Aegis-Judex

        Just paste it here again 🙂

      • Aegis-Judex says:

        The link or the poem?

        Bah, might as well post both!

        http://antipinoy.com/noynoy-popularity-contest/comment-page-1/#comment-21219

        A Sage among Fools

        When intellect and merit are trounced by fame,
        The society shall know naught but great shame.
        Those who think shall shudder and flee,
        Leaving simpletons in joyous glee.

        I am one whose thoughts differ from those of my race;
        That is, if they think, which is a sin in this place.
        No, they follow what the masses choose,
        Even if they will ultimately lose.

        I value intellect, I value my head.
        For this, I am evil, or so the fools said.
        I care not for surveys, for they are for fools.
        Those who think are true humans; those who don’t, mere tools.

        No fool can understand that which I put to pen,
        For truly, it is but beyond his ken.
        Intellect and merit are needed the most,
        For it proves one worthy of holding high post.

      • ChinoF says:

        Great poem! Catches exactly how the intellectual trapped in a sea of fools feels.

      • Homer says:

        It’s a proud poem that separates the enlightened from those who still have no clue on how to get to that point. 😉

        Here are a few more George Carlin quotes which make a similar point:

        1) The planet is fine. The people are fucked.

        2) Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
        3) I love and treasure individuals as I meet them; I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to.

      • ilda says:

        lol…I like number 3.

    • Hyden Toro says:

      As Captain Kirk said, to his ” Starship Enterprise” crew: “Beam me up, Scotty!!!There is no intelligent life here!!! From the television series “Star Trek”…

    • Julian Makabayan says:

      One of the things I value most in life was the God-given ‘chance’ to raise my three boys overseas.
      Upon coming back here in Manila for their college education, I developed a sense of ‘humble pride’ seeing that their whole being is NOT, in the most minute tinge, Filipino. The color of their skin may be brown, and their looks unmistakably Malay, but their paradigm is not.
      They have very little regard for anything Filipino, but are willing to become agents of change… even if all they have to do is imbibe the good things they have learned when they were young… one friend at a time.

      • ilda says:

        Your kids obviously got exposed to common sense growing up and got culture shocked when they couldn’t find it in their parent’s homeland.

  2. Sareet L says:

    Nice contrast you draw between the Italian elite’s reaction and that of the Filipino ones. Even an EU country is suffering a brain drain – and it’s not even one of the newer, less developed members of the Union!

    In my field, I personally know of three people who trained abroad for several years, and then went home with the intention of helping out old colleagues and mentors in the state university – only to find envy and resentment greeting them in their efforts to share their knowledge and skills with the people back home. This, sadly, is the attitude so prevalent in Pinas, and so why would anyone want to return home? The three people thus went back abroad where their talents and skills were appreciated and justly remunerated. Can anyone blame them for doing so?

    • ilda says:

      Hi Sareet

      I was actually quite surprised when I saw that letter from the head of an elite university in Italy in an article in TIME magazine. It definitely shows Monsod’s backward mentality. In other countries, they do not put the blame for the brain drain on the people who leave. They actually acknowledge the lack of opportunity and look inwards to find a solution.

      In contrast, Filipinos in general label people who leave as traitors. It’s as if no one has the right to lead a good life anymore. It’s probably the pakikisama mentality at work – you have to be seen as willing to suffer with everyone else to be considered patriotic. And once you’ve left you cannot criticise anymore because to most Filipinos, you have no right. Never mind that people who have lived in other countries bring in new ideas and inject fresh concepts that can help the country move forward.

      Likewise, in your friend’s situation, insecurity and jealousy are at work. Most Filipinos would normally dismiss ideas coming from western countries as an imposition. P-Noy’s attitude does not help encourage Filipinos to be more welcoming of ideas from other countries too, unfortunately.

      • Sareet L says:

        I was just thinking about the USA, a country is one of immigrants (as the cliché goes, but aptly so), whose citizens stand in stark contrast to many Pinoys in their attitude. Americans, by and large, are a self-confident (not arrogant) breed who are unafraid of new blood, new ideas, new people – and to this day (despite news to the contrary) still welcome immigrants and visitors with a fair shake. If you work hard, get along reasonably well with others, show that what you can contribute is valuable to their purposes, you will be accepted wholeheartedly and will be treated as an equal. I cannot agree more with Dr. Marcaida’s description of them and her feelings towards her adoptive fellow citizens abroad. They really do not fear the outsider, and treat you based on merit.

        So unlike Pinas, where you are treated according to personal and familial connections. It is so much harder for someone without money or connections to ‘make it’ in Pinas, while any regular Pepe and Pilar in the USA can expect fair treatment and remuneration regardless of pedigree or monetary wealth – and be rewarded for one’s hard and good work. Until the system rewards effort and results gained instead of genetic accidents (kin connections), people like Noynoy will continue to assume positions that do not suit their abilities – or lack of them.

        To be fair to Monsod, though, I think there’s also a different point she makes – she also points out that UP students are ‘iskolar ng bayan’ – thus went to school with subsidised tuition fees. I wouldn’t be averse to a rule requiring graduates to either serve in Pinas for maybe a year or whatever fair period, or pay back a reasonable part of the subsidised amounts in their tuition over, say, 10 years. The former is just like the requirement by the armed forces of the USA of those they sent to school on the GI bill.

      • ilda says:

        Good points about the diversity found in the USA Sareet.

        As to Monsod’s point, Benign0 pointed out and I agree with him in his blog that UP is not the only school being subsidized by the people. The taxpayers subsidize all public schools, which means that if we ask all the citizens who went to a public school to stay in the country, there obviously wouldn’t be enough jobs for all of them.

        If she really wants just UP students to stay in the country, then as part of UP’s faculty, she should come up with a policy stipulating that UP graduates should stay in the country after graduation. That way, it would be very clear to those who are willing to abide by its rules that they need to stay and those who are not will go study elsewhere.

        At the moment there is no such rule and she can’t just force people by using threats. What she said was divisive. Can she even guarantee a job for all UP graduates? Is she willing to support them while they are unemployed?

        Some people understand that she was only addressing UP students but obviously a lot of Filipinos are now reading it to mean that what she is suggesting should apply to all Filipinos. The comment of Koy below is proof that there are Filipinos who do not know how to analyze things objectively.

      • ChinoF says:

        I’m wondering if some OFWs who complain of racism and discrimination in the US are merely too stuck in their own culture that they can’t adapt to the US, and they are probably “proud to be Pinoy” while looking like fools. They’re probably working the same slack-handed way as they did back in the Ph and not performing properly. So they get reprimanded or punished, and they call it “racism.” Neat. Well, I’m just guessing this for some cases.

      • Miriam Quiamco says:

        I agree with your opinion of how welcoming the U.S. is to talented and hardworking immigrants.  Precisely why I shirked at migrating to the U.S. even when I had the chance to, I think I have truly imbibed the Filipino DNA of not being a go-getter, pretty content to pursue my interests in my own laid back ways, thus, being  not a tenured professor in Japan has suited my temperament for years now.  I am truly intimidated by the intense rat race in the U.S. and how hard work and a competitive spirit could sap all that which I value in life.

    • Markad says:

      Well, brain drain is also happening to other developed countries like Britain due to having saturated work force/academe/etc already. However, developing countries like the Philippines are feeling the greatest “drain” where there are even less opportunity for the new graduates. Unlike the problem of developed countries, where saturation is the issue, developing countries instead lack opportunities of jobs. But the same could not be said for businesses. There can be a real merit in staying here in the Philippines but not as job seeker but as a business owner.

  3. frustratedcitizen says:

    No one wants to leave his/her homeland, but will do so if there is no other choice…

    Most of the people I know who work abroad only come here for vacation. Some of them would not want to go here for a long time. That’s because, once Filipinos gets exposed to other cultures and environment, they start thinking more intelligently. Hate to say it, but the Philippine culture and environment suppresses intelligent thinking.

    Good read Mam Ilda! ^^

    • ilda says:

      That’s true frustratedcitizen

      Once people realise that there is more to life that enduring horrendous traffic conditions and floods, there is no turning back. Once people realise that there is such as thing as a system that actually works, it becomes harder for them to go back to wretched conditions that are actually easy to fix.

      To the keen observer, even just spending a few weeks of holidays overseas is enough to open the mind to the truth.

    • ChinoF says:

      I would believe that one reason to leave the Philippines is to escape the repressive culture. As long as we follow what makes up most of Filipino culture, we’ll remain a cesspool for the next century.

      • ilda says:

        Exactly ChinoF! 
        The anti-intellectual attitude exhibited by the majority is precisely the reason why I would. It’s more stifling than the heat.

      • Aegis-Judex says:

        If only the people were more willing to make leaps of faith and go where none dare to go… and win salvation for themselves and those who follow them. But nooooooooo, we sages are too few, and too scattered, trapped among fools, mindless wenches and pathetic excuses for human beings. I will have to concur with you, in that the anti-intellectual ethos of the average Flip is why I would GTFO ASAP. Let these imbeciles breed themselves to oblivion… And when all of this is over, we shall return. We return not to pick up the ashes, but to rebuild a new society, where the intellectual is given due value, and the lesser… creatures shall become true humans, or perish in the deluge of reality.

      • potaters says:

        ChinoF: I’m in total agreement with that. I mean I want to leave because of the repressive culture and it’s what my parents ALWAYS say: that it’s who you know that counts. Ugh. It’s so personalistic. I don’t want to hobnob with people and “sell” myself to them.

  4. kusinero says:

    And I thought that mareng Winnie is an economist? She forgot that in order for pinoys to stay in pinas, there should be an incentive in doing so. What does she expect? Stay for the sake of staying?

    Palibhasa she earned her chops waaaay long before pinas got screwed up pretty well. That’s one reason why she could not relate with young people who yearn to excel in their chosen field but could not due to lack of job opportunities, better pay, and the walang kamatayang kumpadre system.

    What she should do is encourage young people to go abroad, earn and learn as much as they can, and go back home after a specific time period. That’s what South Korea did, and look at them now.

    • ilda says:

      Exactly kusinero!

      She needs to inject fresh ideas into her system. It is obvious that she has been stuck with outdated ones for so long.

      Unfortunately, she also practices the padrino system so it would be hard for her to acknowledge that that is part of the problem.

      • kusinero says:

        To add something about mareng Winnie, when I was watching her Timbangan episodes before the elections, I really thought she was going for Gordon considering all the results show that the guy is the best among all the candidates. Yun pala yellow zombie din! What the heck? She’s a classic example of “Do what I say but don’t do what I do”.

        Back to her speech, she should be asking herself the same question she asked her students: “If these people (the leaders/politicians) are so brilliant, why are we where we are now?”

        My answer to you mareng Winnie: “We keep on voting for them.”

      • ilda says:

        I can’t believe at 70 she is still clueless as to why our politicians turn out the way they do. Not all our public officials are brilliant in the first place. And because she is part of the padrino system, she can’t see outside of the square.

  5. Koy says:

    We would all agree that the Philippines has a lot of problems; “Dito sa Pilipinas sagana ang corruption, damaged ang culture at walang pakialam ang mga tao. Mahirap man itong sabihin pero sa Pilipinas karamihan ng mga tao ay hindi nag-iisip ng mabuti dahil sarili lang lagi ang iniisip.”
    We would all agree to that wouldn’t we?
    Prof Monsod’s lecture aims to change the people’s mindset of our country so that they can do something to make it a better place to live in. Filipinos who settle abroad are considered “traitors” because these are the people who implicitly gave the Philippines up- “Kasi nga doon they are acknowledged, mas malaki ang sweldo and therefore mas masarap ang buhay”.  And there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s just that they are using their skills for the progress of other countries. They still claim that they are Filipinos though- Indeed but do they love the Philippines?

    Ikaw” Do you love the Philippines?
    But her lecture was not intended for the people OUT of the country but rather for the people IN the country.- specifically  those who have the potential of making a difference. She hopes to make these people realize that this country has a lot of problems and it needs them to do something about it. If not them/us who would?
    There is really nothing wrong to work abroad if we are after professional growth. But as Filipino citizens who love our country, we are ought to be a part of the solution to our country’s problems by going back and sharing your talent and skills- that’s how you pay your country back. If you don’t give a damn to your country, then you are better off abroad.- and do not comment on anything because you are not in the Philippines, you don’t know anything and you don’t feel anything.
    The Philippines is in deep SHIT right now. And it needs all the help that it can get. If you want to help you should be in the country. Are you willing to do your part?

    • kusinero says:

      ” If you want to help you should be in the country. ”

      Dude, imagine if all pinoys go home right at this instant, do you think that will help with anything?

      We do not need to be in the country to extend a helping hand. You bet your house a lot of pinoys abroad are now able to help by sponsoring kids so they can go to school, sending equipment and books back home, medical missions, construction of school buildings, etc. And you bet your house it will be impossible for them to do that if they are only in pinas.

      Why don’t you, who are in pinas, get your act together and prove to us that there is still hope, so we can go home and impart our wealth of knowledge and experience? I think that’s a fair deal, considering us here abroad are bailing your asses day in and day out by sending remittances back home. Imagine if we stop doing that even for a quarter of a year…

      So before you throw questions around, THINK.

      • Koy says:

        “Why don’t you, who are in pinas, get your act together and prove to us that there is still hope, so we can go home and impart our wealth of knowledge and experience?”

        Are you telling me that there is no more hope for the Philippines? No one is asking you to go home dude. Working abroad is how you live your life to fulfill your aspirations and I respect that. That’s not the point though. You can stay there wherever that is for as long as you want but if there is an chance that you can come back to contribute, you are very much welcome to do so. By doing so you will be working in the Philippines and for the Philippines. This is not a business deal, this is an act of patriotism. I know that the remittances that OFWs send here is a big help in the Philippine Economy. But if you are the President, would you encourage your people to leave their families and go abroad just to help the economy? definitely not. The people’s future should be in the Philippines and not in foreign shores.

        But because of the current situation many people are obliged to get out of the country because of the limited opportunities here. That’s a fact and the reason why the mentality of most Filipino professionals is “no one’s going to help you here so just go abroad instead.” mentality.

        That kind of mentality should be removed that’s why Prof. Monsod’s lecture was addressed to her students- particularly the youth. They can still be taught with the appropriate values and through them, there is still HOPE for the Philippines.

        As professionals, just like Prof Monsod, what can we do is to teach the youth so that one day these people can bring the Philippines up. So if you want to help our country, you should be in the country.

      • kusinero says:

        “Are you telling me that there is no more hope for the Philippines?” Are you seriously asking me this?

        Why don’t we work to lift pinas up NOW? Why wait for the “one day” that may not come? I could still remember these same sentiments being addressed to me a decade ago when I was still a student. Same words that mareng Winnie is saying to her students now. That means these exhortations don’t work, and will not work, as long the present system continues to exist. It’s not the mentality dude, it’s the system.

        I am proud to be working outside the country, for the country. I don’t have to be there physically to do my part.

      • Aegis-Judex says:

        Yes, We tell you that there is no hope for the Philippines… if we do not BECOME that spark of hope the country needs. Instead of waiting for the final hour to do righteous deeds, why not perform them today while there is still time? The same goes with this country. Instead of hoping we get good leaders, why not BECOME good leaders? 💡

    • ChinoF says:

      The problem is that Monsod’s speech received too much publicity. People not realizing that it was meant for UP medical students only will get insulted, such as Dr. Marcaida. It should not have “gone viral.” And like I said in another thread, even if they were meant for UP medical students, Monsod’s words here are among the worst she’s said in her professional life. She is obviously becoming less and less relevant to today’s time.

      I disagree that Filipinos who are abroad cannot help their country if they don’t go home. Look at the comments in another thread about this, under the “Winnie Monsod’s video” title.

      • Markad says:

        This. It was a classroom speech with specific people being targeted. I think her speech is misinterpreted.

      • ilda says:

        The problem is, as a result of that speech, there are Filipinos like Koy who feel like they now have a license to pass judgement on Filipinos who leave the country and brand them as traitors. 

      • Teki says:

        I would have to second Markad in this case.  As a UP graduate, that speech admittedly struck a chord personally.  (She was my Econ professor….way back in the days) However, i understand what she meant.  She did say to that if you go abroad, you should at least pay back. I think the essense of the lecture was really about being honorable and by advocating excellence which is clearly the university’s motto and for UP students and graduates to be reminded.  But, of course, there are things one needs to discard in the speech. At the end of the day, those who believe in wholesale speeches need to exercise thinking.  Or reassess if they are succumbing to fanaticism.

      • ilda says:

        @Teki

        “At the end of the day, those who believe in wholesale speeches need to exercise thinking. Or reassess if they are succumbing to fanaticism.”

        Egad! Fanaticism is exactly what most of those who swallowed the speech in whole has succumbed to.

        Filipinos are definitely suckers in falling for moronic slogans and speeches by popular personalities such as P-Noy and Monsod. It’s because they are too lazy to use their critical analysis.

    • ilda says:

      @Koy

      You said: She hopes to make these people realize that this country has a lot of problems and it needs them to do something about it. If not them/us who would?

      The simple answer to your question: Vote for the right leaders who will provide incentive for people to stay in the country.

      The problem with Monsod is that she endorsed and voted for someone like P-Noy who is incapable of implementing radical changes to our ineffective system and then she expects brilliant students to live with that system and stay. That’s just ridiculous.

      Please read the article again because you seem to have missed the part about Italy experiencing an exodus of talents as well but the rest of the members of Italian society do not blame those who leave.

    • Jay says:

      Okay, I know the speech was intended for her students and her youth but honestly, not even they can’t resist the temptation at times of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. I think though is that she should have been more diplomatic about it, like what S. Korea and Ireland did when they were building up. At least in SK’s case, the people who wanted to come back had something worth coming home to. Same with Ireland as those who left managed to get enough money and start up again back home. The Philippines are doing a disservice to these potential youths if Winnie and the old order don’t understand what would motivate them to come back besides patriotic intentions. Opportunity to come back is far from few, being only entrepreneurship as one of the key opportunities. Focus more on infrastructure and create research facilities that would help the country out and make the benefits competitive so you lure those smart people back from the other research institutions across the globe. And its easy to make money for it, of course politicians are going to take a hit for it but with any wise investment, a bright future is better than a sordid lack of progression.

      I mean go beyond internships or volunteer programs like being around with Gibo and Gordon. At least both have plans to try keep the brains inside the country and cater to them, if only people would sit them down for presidency.

      In short, the youth will be the youth. You can’t punish them for their decision, but if you want to appeal to their side, you need more than just the ABS-CBN manufactured patriotism and nationalism to win them over. At least the real smart ones of the pack.

      kinda related but its RSA’s video on motivation. Winnie should watch it and not under estimate the youth she wants to influence.

  6. racumin says:

    Hi Ilda,

    Yung binabanggit ni Prof Monsod na traydor ay yung mga UP graduates na tinalikuran na ang Pinas. Yung author nung sa letter sa GMA ay hindi traydor dahil kahit nag abroad sya, nagbalik naman sya ng service sa Pinas.

    Palagay ko masyado lang namamagnify yung thought na “sabi ni mareng Winnie, pagnag abroad ka, traydor ka” kaya ang daming negative reviews dun sa sinabi nya. Pag nireview naman mabuti yung speech nya, makikita naman na ang goal nya lang ay ipaalam sa mga estudyante nya na “dapat maglingkod sa Pinas dahil ito ang nagpa aaral sayo”.

    Wala akong nakikitang masama dun sa sinabi nya dahil kung nag invest sayo ang Pinas, nararapat lang na may ibalik ka din dito. So para i summarize ang point ko:

    OFWs = HINDI TRAYDOR
    Mga nag abroad dahil walang trabaho sa bansa = HINDI TRAYDOR
    Mga tumira na sa ibang bansa dahil ayaw na sa Pinas = HINDI TRAYDOR
    Mga UP grads na nag ibang bansa = HINDI TRAYDOR
    Mga UP grads na nag ibang bansa after grumaduate at di na nagbalik ng kahit ano sa Pinas (tax, service, knowledge etc) = TRAYDOR 🙂

    • Markad says:

      I think this is what she means. UP students’ tuition fee are 80% subsidized before tuition fee increase while those who are under the new system are 20% subsidized. Normally, you really have to “serve” the country before you leave the country by working here until a certain time under the contract as a scholar. It seems UP students, even if they are scholars of the government, no clause is limiting them from leaving the country. As a scholar in high school, I think I have to stay here in the country for next two years or I have the pay the whole tuition that was subsidized. I was supposed to take a scholarship for college too but was deferred since the course I am taking is not under the list for that scholarship. Good thing that I did not take it. Under the contract, it says that I have to stay here in the country for the same span of time that I am subsidized or pay the whole subsidized tuition fee. Stuck here in this country for the next five years instead of two… damn!

    • ChinoF says:

      Mga oligarchs na naglalabas ng basurang media, pinipigil ang investment (foreign at lokal) sa ekonomiya natin at niloloko ang mga tao para lang sila ay laging nasa poder = TRAYDOR
      Nag-promise na “pag walang corrupt, walang mahirap,” eh mga ka-buddy na corrupt ang inilagay sa pusisyon = TRAYDOR 😉
      Masmabuti pa yung ginawa ng mga UP grads sa last item mo. Hindi pa rin sila traydor sa akin.

    • ilda says:

      @racumin

      It would be great if all the bright and talented individuals stay in the country to serve but she should realise there is a valid reason why they leave. She should look at the government policies or bark on the politicians who can implement changes to the system rather than direct the blame on individuals who find better opportunities overseas.

      • ChinoF says:

        That’s one problem: blaming the victim instead of the real perpetrator of the problem. Many blame the OFWs for leaving, but don’t blame the oligarchs and local kurakots for taking away the jobs that could have kept them here.

      • Enlightened Filipino says:

        True, the Oligarchs are a reality for me.

    • jemon says:

      Racumin. talaga bang ganito kababa ng IQ ng website na ito at kailangan pang iexplain ang ibig sabihin ni mareng winnie gaya ng pag-explain mo? Pero at least sa pagsabi mo hindi nila napansin na sinasabihan mo silang tanga… magaling ka, idol kita.. jejeje..

      Meron pa silang hindi naiitindihan.. nag-threaten daw si Mareng winnie, ilan beses pa inulit. Hindi yata naiintindihan na kapag nag-lelecture ka, pwede ka magsingit ng joke. Eh siempre nga naman, akala nila sinasabihan silang traydor e kaya kahit ano na ang kasunod e galit na. Feeling pa nila sa joke e sila ang pinagtatawanan!

      Pero sa totoo lang palagay ko, masakit pa rin ang tama ng lecture ni mareng winnie dun sa mga taong nasa abroad na maswerte naman na may mga opportunities sila sa Pinas pero umalis pa rin dahil ayaw nang tumulong dito, kahit hindi graduate ng UP. Yung mga wala talagang opportunities, wala talaga tayong magagawa sa kanila.. hahahanap at hahanap sila kahit saan. Pero yung mga matatalino talaga pero wala nang balak bumalik sa Pinas para tumulong, sila talaga yung dapat tamaan.

      jejeje..

      • Buloy says:

        When someone makes a joke and it becomes misinterpreted, it is not primarily the audience’s fault for misunderstanding it, but the person who tells the joke for not phrasing it clearly, and for misreading his / her audience. 

        At bakit? Nabasa ko na yung ibang mga comments mo dito sa site na to, at kung may writer lang dito na nagmention na mali ang ginagawa ng mga Pilipino, maraming mga uto uto na Pinoy kasi lahat ng sinasabi nina Noynoy o ibang mga politicians pinapaniwalaan, nagagalit ka rin a. 

        Pero siempre nga naman, akala mo rin ata na sinasabihan silang mali e kaya kahit ano na ang kasunod e galit ka na.

        Hypocrite, much?

      • Jay says:

        Pero yung mga matatalino talaga pero wala nang balak bumalik sa Pinas para tumulong, sila talaga yung dapat tamaan.

        Because the country they are in offers to support their endeavors and is ran better than the rat hole that is the Philippines that only serves the Oligarchs? hurr hurr wow ang talino, parang troll lang! Hindi matanggap na kahit anu ang isulat, laging laos sa may mararating ang punto!

        I guess according to you, Einstein was a traitor after leaving Germany to support the United States and the Manhattan project and didn’t come back to Germany to rebuild after the war. Hurr hurr.

  7. Markad says:

    I think the context of Monsod’s message is for UP students… UP students are also called “skolar ng bayan” which makes them… well, scholars. Normally, scholarships have contracts which requires those who took the offer to repay the one who gave them financial help. I am not sure but I think such clause is absent in the UP contract which makes it sort of like a free meal. It is up to the students if they want to give something back or not. And clearly, Monsod’s opinion is you have to. That is just my opinion though…

    • ilda says:

      Well, she should think about the consequences of her words next time before uttering them because her speech, which was totally random, has now divided Filipinos even further.

  8. kristine0019 says:

    I can so relate with the statement “Deference to elders is getting us nowhere.” The last office I worked in before entering grad school had a really paternalistic culture. The bosses thought they were always correct for the simple reason that they were older. Even if you had valid reasons for objecting them, they would shoot you down. Kaya walang asenso sa opisina na yun. Buti na lang, naka-alis na ako dun.

    • ChinoF says:

      “Deference to elders” is so “tribe in the African bush.”

    • palebluedot_ says:

      work in the local government and that’s what you will experience. there is more merit for seniority than for what you have achieved. as long as you get the minimum requirement for a position and you are senior among the candidates, the position is 100% yours. that’s why local governments never improve, because they keep putting mga gurangs, who have stopped being progressive, stopped opening their minds to changes, at the highest position.

  9. Hyden Toro says:

    Prof. Monsod should know that people are like Goats. When they see the Grass is Greener on the other side: they will surely jump, on the other side.

  10. Hyden Toro says:

    We love the Philippines. We care what is happening to our country. It is also an advantage of the country; that highly educated and experienced Filipinos, who are abroad; can share their knowledge and know how with their countrymen; thru blogging, texting, e-mailing, etc…the information technology of our times has made it possible for this to happen. This Anti Pinoy site is doing a good job, as a Forum of unbiased discussion of topics of our times in our country. We cannot get advanced knowledge and experiences in our respective fields of study in the Philippines. We have to go to advanced countries, that have that fields of study or technologies. For those Dinosaur leaders. The faster you get rid of them; the better. They are stumbling blocks, with obsolete knowledge.

  11. someguy says:

    How pathetic. When I read that word, I then think of the Soviet communists in which they’ll kill you if you’re a traitor or a coward to your own motherland. So she’s saying that even an American or a British who are working here in the Philippines are also traitors to their own country? Once again this is what I hate about socialism, it makes you selfish.

    • frustratedcitizen says:

      you got a very good point there Someguy…

      Hahah.. why didn’t Mareng Winnie think of that? Of course the foreigners working here in our country are NOT TRAITORS to their homeland.

      Indeed, the Philippines’ elite is dishing out more and more crap..

      And yeah, I forgot to put this on my reply yesterday. Deference to the elders is so strong here in the Philippines that even though the young one is right and the old one is wrong, seniority helps turn tables around. In the end the poor young one would be forced by society to apologize to the old one..sheesh…

  12. Koy says:

    @Ilda

    “The simple answer to your question: Vote for the right leaders who will provide incentive for people to stay in the country.”

    The Question is where do we start? Don’t you think we should start with the young ones so that they would know how to intelligently vote for the right candidate?.  Don’t you think that we should invest our knowledge and wisdom on them because after all they are our country’s future? THE PHILIPPINES MAY SUCK TODAY BUT WE CAN DO SOMETHING NOW FOR A BRIGHTER FUTURE.

    “The problem with Monsod is that she endorsed and voted for someone like P-Noy who is incapable of implementing radical changes to our ineffective system and then she expects brilliant students to live with that system and stay. That’s just ridiculous.”

    Are you 100% certain that she voted for P-NOY? even endorsed him? As someone who is in the media and someone  who works in the government she is not allowed to do that. As far as I can tell she is one of the the most active critics of the Aquino Administration nowadays. And before the elections she even hosted a TV program called “timbangan” so that the people can assess who is the best candidate to vote for. P-Noy did not do well in that program. So why would she vote for him? Even if she voted for P-Noy, it does not matter because she did not endorse him in public.

    Again Monsod’s lecture was intended for the students, and not for professionals working abroad. She was their teacher after all. I was a teacher. I still am in my own way. So I know why she gave that lecture.  As professionals it should be our advocacy to educate the youth just like what she is doing. 

    While composing this, I was reading the other comments. And I found these too technical. Nevermind the subsidy part, nevermind the UP scholarships- people who pointed out these things are thinking on a business perspective and her lecture was not about that. Her lecture was for UP students though it does not only apply to UP students. “Honor and Excellence” happened to be the UP motto though its meaning applies to all.

    Love your country folks!

    • ilda says:

      @Koy

      There you go again with equating staying in the country with love of country. Those who stay in the country do not have the monopoly of love of country. I hope you can accept this fact.

      Why do you think people like bloggers BongV and Benign0 still waste their time discussing solutions online when they could easily just sip their latte and talk about their new iphones and macbook pro wherever they are now? It’s because they are Filipino migrants overseas who can see the problem in the country for what it is and they want to help solve it.

      It is a fact that a lot of Filipinos who live abroad have more love for the Philippines than some who are actually in the Philippines. Majority of Filipinos in the country even find it offensive to talk about the problems of the country. They don’t want to hear about it because they are either in denial or they think that it just being unproductive.

      What makes you think that threatening students will help educate them to be more patriotic? Patriotism will naturally occur to an individual when the individual gets validation. Whether it is in the form of monetary or intellectual validation, it will give the person enough motivation to continue doing his work.

      If you force people to stay even if they are not getting anything out of staying in the country, then what you are going to get is resentment. Out of that resentment, you will get rebels. Isn’t that how people become members of the NPA?

      Monsod was barking on the wrong tree in her speech. She should bark on our policy makers and berate them for not coming up with a solution to the brain drain instead of threatening her students.

      Regarding Monsod’s stand on P-Noy, please click on the link below and read the article:

      The so-called Philippine elite: failure of leadership

    • Jay says:

      True enough for Ilda. You don’t grow REAL NATIONALISM and REAL PATRIOTISM by disparaging those talented youths, regardless of how much subsidy they came from. Their sense of motivation to serve the country is alive and well but unless you don’t channel it correctly, of course they will seek to fulfill other important desires in life such as job security or chasing their dreams and ambitions!

      If Winnie wanted these kids back at home so badly, SHOW THEM. South Korea is a strong example and through their collective accomplishments in getting back and being well off again after the cold war was a true show of their pride and nationalism.

      Once again, RSA link on motivation.

  13. ako ang simula ng pagkabobo says:

    Thanks, mareng winnie. For providing more ammo to the uber nationalists to use against those they perceive as “pinoys who don’t love the country”.

  14. Kotobuki says:

    Deference for elders? Oh come on. In the previous company I was in, I’ve worked for a goddamned, closed-brained (and quite elderly) supervisor who treated people like shit and routinely shot down suggestions and ideas in favor of his own views on how things should be done. The result was enough to risk the entire project and to imperil our relations with clients.

    He shouldn’t be running matters. He should be placed in a museum display with a label “Dinosaur Fossil”. That experience alone added doubt that the supposedly intelligent people have sometimes only seniority and that “malapit sa kusina” factor to back their arses. Hay, Pilipinas…

    And I have to shake Frustratedcitizen’s hand on the thought that Filipino culture works against intelligent thinking. Thinking people are commonly shunned and laughed at. I remember some people who used to be acquaintances – they sometimes made a point of me being bookish in a negative light, as if it’s on the same level of as “useless”. I know now how disparaging the word “Pilosopo” in “Pilosopong Tasyo” was used.

    • ako ang simula ng pagkabobo says:

      Hahaha. Try to discuss politics/current events here. Tingin nila sa iyo ay parang nababaliw.

      Mas gusto nila ang showbiz/entertainment news.

      • Aegis-Judex says:

        Too right, mate! You know what part of the papers my fellow Chem majors go for when I bring a newspaper? Go figure: Showbiz, horoscope, anywhere save the good parts. At least with the Applied Physics majors that we apparently coexist with, you have even a few people who find interests in things besides sports.

        Safety and peace to you.

        Aegis-Judex aka (Ilda, you know my real name.) 😀

    • ChinoF says:

      That’s one of the greatest reasons why people go abroad. Because the elders they defer to vilify the younger people, give no respect to the younger ones’ talents and skills and want to be dictators all their lives. The elders probably think that they young ones are provided to be their underlings or slaves. Like what my sister-in-law said, “One problem with the Philippines is that we are so ageist.” And they believe only the government is corrupt with the padrino system? Again, it’s so “tribe in the African bush.”

      • ChinoF says:

        Add to that a measly salary. Why will you even work at a local company then to get unreasonably shouted at for unreasonably low pay? Good reason to go abroad… unless you open up the economy to introduce players who’ll improve service, quality… and salary.

        Why oh why in all of her supposed wisdom and experience as an “economist” does Mareng Winnie not promote an open economy?

    • potaters says:

      Some people accuse me of being “too serious”. Well, I don’t want to discuss showbiz matters because I don’t watch too much local TV and I don’t laugh at Filipino toilet jokes because I don’t find them funny. So sometimes, I’d rather be alone.

      • Aegis-Judex says:

        You’re not the only one, pots. With all these empty minds, even in courses that demand critical thinking, I don’t see any reason why I should always associate with lesser creatures.

    • Jay says:

      Nobody wants the minds around, so they go where they are appreciated. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see this, unless of course many like Winnie overlook the obvious.

  15. Koy says:

    @Ilda

    The link the you gave me is a blog from this site. That was just an opinion. Was that suppose to justify everything? She was a journalist who was working on the elections. She was not allowed to give opinions on the candidates. What she was allowed though, was to make an analysis on the issues that sufficed that time (Like Villar’s C5 and Noynoy’s SCTEX issue). The analysis that she presented to the public was supported by facts and was not biased. That time she had to exercise transparency because it was media protocol. C’mon if you were in her shoes would you criticize Noynoy and the other candidates? You will lose your job if you do that.

    “Those who stay in the country do not have the monopoly of love of country”.

    I agree. And I did not explicitly state anything that was in contrast to that. But I strongly believe that those who leave the country for good are considered “traitors” because they had accepted the fact that there is no more hope for their country. Isn’t that what people would normally think when they decide to migrate to another country?

    Alam mo, it is very easy to give solutions to the problems of our country when you are abroad- Because when you are there you can immediately compare and see the difference. I know that because I had also worked abroad a couple of times. But when you go back and start to apply what you’ve learned, it’s not easy as it may seem. I appreciate the blogs from this site and I do read them from time to time. But to hear from someone stating a solution to the country’s problems who is not even in the country is like taking an advice from a lawyer when all that you need is a doctor.

    Prof Monsod did not really “threaten” her students. That is a harsh word. Although she used that word a couple of times in her lecture, it does not really imply what the word suggests. Were the students really threatened? Was that what their reaction convey? They were enjoying and absorbing everything in the lecture. Did that define the condition where one is being threatened? It was just a technique in teaching to get the message across more effectively.

    No one is forcing anyone to stay in the country even if their future is abroad. If you want to go abroad so that you can help your family to have a better life, then do it. That’s what the situation is telling us to do after all. But we should agree to the fact that no one wants our people to have a “No one’s gonna help you here so go abroad instead” mentality. Because if we all have the same way of thinking then “magpasakop na lang tayo sa ibang bansa!”. That’s Prof. Monsod’s message to her students.

    The current situation is forcing most of us to find our future in foreign shores. But is that really good for the Philippines? We might not find the solution today but we can still do something.. for the Filipinos of tomorrow. 

    • benign0 says:

      ===begin quote:
      The current situation is forcing most of us to find our future in foreign shores. But is that really good for the Philippines? We might not find the solution today but we can still do something.. for the Filipinos of tomorrow.
      ===end quote

      Well, you might wanna consider too that perhaps Pinoys were not meant to prosper together and are better off apart.

      Pinoys are known by their host countries to be great immigrants — law abiding, have a high rate of home ownership and employment, etc. By contrast when among ourselves and governed by our own compatriots, we regress into a human cesspool of passive-aggressive buffoons and become obssessed with intrigahan and one-upmanship.

      It seems like we are better off governed by a foreign power than standing “independent” run like hell by our compatriots (as that famous Commonwealth President prophetically stated).

      So people who judge compatriots who go overseas to seek their fortunes are coming from a mindset that has been ingrained over the last several decades that Filipinos are “destined” to be a great nation “someday”. Perhaps we should start acknowledging the very real possibility that this notion is quite simply unfounded. What was the basis of this “destiny” to greatness that we imagine ourselves to possess to begin with? Now that is a question that is likely to spark an interesting discussion… 😀

    • ilda says:

      @Koy

      You said: “But I strongly believe that those who leave the country for good are considered “traitors” because they had accepted the fact that there is no more hope for their country. Isn’t that what people would normally think when they decide to migrate to another country?”

      I think you are being small minded. First of all, without the remittances from the Filipinos overseas, the Philippine economy will not survive. In case you didn’t know, the Philippines’ biggest export is manpower, not goods.

      Second, not everyone can find a job in the country. What would you have them do? Starve?

      Thirdly, this is the age of globalization; we are all citizens of the world. It has become an accepted fact that anyone can be assigned to another country because more and more multi-national companies are opening up branches in more countries than one.
      It is actually only Filipinos who refer to those who leave for other countries as traitors. It is a tragic phenomenon, indeed. Please open your mind a little bit and have more compassion for your fellow Filipinos who are struggling with being away from their family and friends.

      If you studied science, you will realize that migrating is the most natural thing in the world. Even animals migrate for one reason or another. Birds go south for the winter; Whales travel to cold waters for feeding; they go to warmer waters to give birth, etc, etc.

      Besides, there are more Filipinos in the country than abroad. Those who own companies who can make a difference like ABS-CBN are also well educated but they are more concerned with their profits than uplifting poverty. This is evident in their shows which make people even dumber.

      Regarding Monsod, I referred you to my previous blog about her to give you a better understanding of how clueless she is. She did not do her best to ensure that the right person won the presidency – she was a fence sitter. That to me is the greatest betrayal to the Philippine society. If the only reason she did not speak out against P-Noy during the election is because she was scared of losing her job, then she is no different from the UP graduates who leave the country for a better life. She looked out for her own interest first before her fellowmen.

    • Jay says:

      I agree. And I did not explicitly state anything that was in contrast to that. But I strongly believe that those who leave the country for good are considered “traitors” because they had accepted the fact that there is no more hope for their country. Isn’t that what people would normally think when they decide to migrate to another country?

      Take off the nostalgia, nationalism goggles for a moment and burn this word in your head. INCENTIVES. That is the word that best sums and answers that statement and question. Like in any business organization, you have to give people incentives to have faith and stay, especially if they are one of the productive workers. If they can get what they want somewhere else and bring along their family while serving that other country, why not? Being a traitor has nothing to do with their conscience because they weren’t given enough incentives to stay and contribute, be it send remittances or find a way to make it work while paying taxes and such.

      The current situation is forcing most of us to find our future in foreign shores. But is that really good for the Philippines? We might not find the solution today but we can still do something.. for the Filipinos of tomorrow.

      That is sadly a rather empty and optimistic statement. If these old dinosaurs don’t do anything to stop the young, promising youth from leaving and give them incentives to stay, they are just going to follow their hearts outside because the country and the government has not shown any care for them.
      Of course we can go the JFK route with his famous line its not what the country can do you for you, but what you can do for your country, but at the same time he prepared the people for something to do. As opposed to the Philippines, with their restriction laws, choking business laws, horrid social services and what not are not only driving away foreign investors to look elsewhere, but sadly the future working pinoys too.

  16. Hyden Toro says:

    I see no hope in the decadence of our government system and our leaders….

  17. Hyden Toro says:

    Filipinos who had studied abroad and are working, holding responsible positions abroad, are more informed than the Filipinos living in the Philippines. If you happen to have traveled to foreign countries. You can compare, their governments, from our government. Our politicians; family political dynasties; oligarchs; most of our elders; the Media; and the Churches. Refuse to accept this fact. We are moving around and around in circles. We think that Movement is progress. We elected an imbecile and coward leader. What will we expect. More of the same, if not worse…

  18. tiki says:

    Why leave the country? The other countries are now falling apart because of the current economic crisis.

    • ilda says:

      @tiki

      Which country is falling apart?

      As to your question: “Why leave the country?

      The answer to that depends on who you are asking. Some people find financial gain in other countries. And there are also those who find intellectual stimulation in other countries. It’s not always about the money, you know. Unfortunately, both are hard to find in the Philippines.

      ta-ta!

    • ulong pare says:

      @tik: “why leave the country?”… ans: because flips are gung gongs… exhibit 1: a family sold their property to pay for their trip to ‘merka… currently, they are squatting in their relatives’ cramp house waiting for an “opportunity”… to make the story short… no job, no driver’s license, puro porma, etc., etc… laging nakatambay dito sa seafood city smoking their lungs out… as the old saying goes, “relatives are like fish, they stink after three days.”… to make ends meet, they slave for below minimum wage, namumulot ng bote/soda cans, bakal, dyaryo, and dumpster dive… bwi hi hi hi hi… on the other hand, foreigners buy properties in flipland… they developed the area; turned it into resorts catering to brain drained flips… foreigners are living life, like kings/queesn with ‘sang tambaks na slaves… hay naku, flips/flipflams, pare-pareho kayong gung gongs!

      • Hyden Toro says:

        Flips also sell their carabaos and lands, to become OFWs. They give money to Fake Job Recruiters. The Recruiter vanishes into thin air. Flips ends up with their money gone, carabao gone, lands gone…Are you surprised they voted an incompetent President?

    • Aegis-Judex says:

      Simple: Because there are more opportunities outside the country.

  19. ulong pare says:

    … daaaang… ay sus ginoo… the “brain drain thingy” again… flipland’s numero unong export are flips who are basically brain drained… period…. 99% of ofws are in slave jobs… no ‘brain” is required… so, “brain drain” does not apply to flips… hay naku puro kayo gung gongs!

    • Hyden Toro says:

      …Flips are mostly:caregivers; nurses aides; servants; etc…If a foreigner sees a Flip who is a Corporate Executive and highly educated. It seems as if he/she has seen a Ghost…a look of disbelief is on their eyes…

      • Teki says:

        That has always baffled me when traveling to other countries (so much so that there is always a Filipino around wherever you go.)  We celebrate Charice Pempengco but fail to appreciate a highly educated Filipino who has rose by his/her own merits within a multinational corporation in a foreign land.  There’s a telling paradox there.

    • Buloy says:

      My friend’s father is CFO of SGV. Three uncles of friends enjoy high positions as officers of the navy in other countries. My aunt’s husband is a high level computer programmer for Industrial Light and Magic. He has many other Filipino friends who works in other studio companies like Pixar and Disney. I know someone living in Canada right now who is a hospital director there, and has written medical textbooks that are used in university curriculum. These are all Filipinos. And these are just people *I* know. 

      Most caretakers, nurse aides, etc. are Pinoys who don’t have a college education. Yet some of them are still paid more than people with a college degree who are working in the Philippines. Imagine if we can improve the educational system and the economy here in the Philippines, so that more people can actually enjoy jobs with higher salaries BOTH here and abroad.

      Just because YOU are willing to limit yourself to the idea of Pinoys as caregivers, servants and nurse aides does not mean that actual Pinoys working abroad are. If this country breeds small-minded people like you who can’t imagine Pinoys as being capable of performing high-paying jobs abroad, then I don’t blame people for leaving in the first place.

  20. Law of One says:

    You are all wrong! We are all 6th density wanderers from the RA soul group from Venus who chose to incarnate here to help our lost brothers and sisters trapped in this planet by the logos “Yahweh”. The souls trapped here are a mix from Mars, Maldek (who blew their planet up and is now the asteroid belt), and Daneb (a distant solar system that lost their sun, they are now the “Chinese” race). If you find this funny, google: LAW OF ONE. This is the truth. Accept it or remain trapped in 3rd Density.

  21. tiki says:

    You don’t know? The economies of several industrialized countries, esp. those that Filipinos want to live or work in, are all built on debt! The whole global capitalist economy’s a joke: 50 trillion dollars in total GDP backed by $1.4 quadrillion in derivatives, with more than half unregulated. And all that to finance consumption of oil and other resources which will likely decline in production soon.

    • ilda says:

      @tiki

      I wanted you to be more specific about which countries you were referring to as “falling apart”.

      If you are referring to America as one of them well, have a think about the below logic before you conclude that the country is falling apart:

      “Japanese save a lot. They do not spend much. Also, Japan exports far
      more than it imports. Has an annual trade surplus of over 100
      billions. Yet Japanese economy is considered weak, even collapsing.

      Americans spend, save little. Also US imports more than it exports.
      Has an annual trade deficit of over $400 billion. Yet, the American economy is considered strong and trusted to get stronger.

      But where from do Americans get money to spend? They borrow from
      Japan, China and even India.
      Virtually others save for the US to spend. Global savings are mostly invested in US, in dollars.

      India itself keeps its foreign currency assets of over $50 billions in
      US securities. China has sunk over $160 billion in US securities.
      Japan’s stakes in US securities is in trillions.

      Result:

      The US has taken over $5 trillion from the world. So, as the world
      saves for the US – Its The Americans who spend freely. Today, to keep
      the US consumption going, that is for the US economy to work, other
      countries have to remit $180 billion every quarter, which is $2
      billion a day, to the US!

      A Chinese economist asked a neat question. Who has invested more, US
      in China, or China in US? The US has invested in China less than half
      of what China has invested in US.

      The same is the case with India. We have invested in US over $50
      billion. But the US has invested less than $20 billion in India.

      Why the world is after US?

      The secret lies in the American spending, that they hardly save. In
      fact they use their credit cards to spend their future income. That
      the US spends is what makes it attractive to export to the US. So US
      imports more than what it exports year after year.

      The result:

      The world is dependent on US consumption for its growth. By its
      deepening culture of consumption, the US has habituated the world to
      feed on US consumption. But as the US needs money to finance its
      consumption, the world provides the money.

      It’s like a shopkeeper providing the money to a customer so that the
      customer keeps buying from the shop. If the customer will not buy, the
      shop won’t have business, unless the shopkeeper funds him. The US is
      like the lucky customer. And the world is like the helpless shopkeeper
      financier.

      Who is America’s biggest shopkeeper financier? Japan of course. Yet
      it’s Japan which is regarded as weak. Modern economists complain that
      Japanese do not spend, so they do not grow. To force the Japanese to
      spend, the Japanese government exerted itself, reduced the savings
      rates, even charged the savers. Even then the Japanese did not spend
      (habits don’t change, even with taxes, do they?). Their traditional
      postal savings alone is over $1.2 trillions, about three times the
      Indian GDP. Thus, savings, far from being the
      strength of Japan, has become its pain.

      Hence, what is the lesson?
      That is, a nation cannot grow unless the people spend, not save. Not
      just spend, but borrow and spend.
      Dr. Jagdish Bhagwati, the famous Indian-born economist in the US, told
      Manmohan Singh that Indians wastefully save. Ask them to spend, on
      imported cars and, seriously, even on cosmetics! This will put India
      on a growth curve. This is one of the reason for MNC’s coming down to
      India, seeing the consumer spending.

      ‘Saving is sin, and spending is virtue.’
      But before you follow this Neo Economics, get some fools to save so
      that you can borrow from them and spend happily.”

      The above article maybe sad but it is true.

      Again, which country is falling apart?

  22. tiki says:

    The U.S. and PIIGS in particular, and so’s Japan, as seen in a recent NY Times article, but China is following because of a real estate bubble and inflation. In general, countries save, then they cash out, then they play casino capitalism, thinking that someone else will do the manufacturing. If you consider personal debt rising, then include Australia, New Zealand, and others. From there, money supply increases dramatically (with over $1.4 quadrillion in derivatives, and over $800 trillion of that unregulated, which makes any stimulus package or even postal savings peanuts), and credit bubbles take place. The subprime mortage crisis is just the first. Fallout from prime lending, then commercial real estate, then sovereign debt, then the derivatives market will follow. Gold bugs who think that we should have only money backed by precious metals should keep in mind that we only have around 150,000 tons of gold and silver worldwide, which means given the current global population (which will keep growing) we’re looking at 0.7 troy oz. per capita. And after all that comes peak oil.

    • ChinoF says:

      From what you imply, the whole modern civilized world is falling apart. Mind you, if this happens, the Philippines won’t be the only one standing. It’s likely the first to go down. It’s still worse off living here than in the US or maybe even Greece, because they have better systems of living in place. I believe the idea that “other countries are falling apart” is greatly exaggerated, unless you’re talking about North Korea and Cuba. 😉

    • Teki says:

      I have gotten the urge to reply to this, considering tiki is using a monicker and i my real name.  

      @ tiki:

      55% of the the country’s GDP is in the services sector.  The BPO industry within the Philippines (which includes all outsourced work) expands by roughly 8.6% in its yearly input into the GDP.  However, it must be said that 96.3% of all BPO revenues come from “exported services” from American, UK and Australian firms.  Should these countries collapse, the entire BPO industry in the Philippines would collapse as well because of the domino effect of outsourcing revenues.

      The BPO phenomenon, however, should not be used as impetus for people to stay in the country.  Because the opportunities and benefits presented within the BPO context cannot be applied to each and every Filipino because doing, say, financial services work requires knowledge, education and affinity for North American consumer conditions.  My thinking is this:  if a Filipino is given the opportunity to go abroad and experience the world, s/he should do so.  Not only because of the economic assistance brought about by remittances, but by the simple benefit of experiencing a global citizen mindset.  I’ve always been an advocate that travel enriches.  Leaving the country is not being unpatriotic.  What is being unpatriotic is indifference, wherever you go or wherever you may be.

      • ilda says:

        @Teki

        For a moment there I thought tiki mispelled his own name to Teki 😉

        Your comments are certainly a breath of fresh air from his moronic statements. Tiki has this doomsday attitude that the world is about to end and the Philippines will be the only country left standing in the midst of the rubble.

        I like what you said here:

        I’ve always been an advocate that travel enriches. Leaving the country is not being unpatriotic. What is being unpatriotic is indifference, wherever you go or wherever you may be.”

        A lot of Filipinos certainly think that just being in the country is enough for them to say that they are being a good citizen.

  23. ulong pare says:

    … daaaang… for flips, IGNORANCE is bliss… the notion that “the whole world is falling apart” is pure nonsense… kasi, flips are ‘toopids, ijits, and ignos; and, don’t give a sh!t about themselves, the environment and their future… puro hingi ang alam and depend on remittances from relatives abroad… hoy, mga flips, doon kayo sa sulok at magdasal for your next pan de sal with star margarine… tsupeeee!

  24. J.B. says:

    Before anyone could pass harsh on Monsod, people should at least tour the archipelago what really happening in the countryside. People are really dying in the absence of doctos.

    I take notice what she said about medical profession where huge amount of money is invested by the state government into their education and yet all leave for overseas.

    But having said that I disagree with her on some points. I think Monsod should look at the education system itself rather than the students’ individual decision.

    The MSU College of Medicine has spent tremendous amount of effort in connecting uni doctors’ program to the community and the result is commitment of doctors to servitude.

    To me it was the lack of this form of training that made UP students show very little social responsibility.

    • benign0 says:

      @ J.B.:

      There’s also a flipside to the observation that there are too few doctors to serve the Filipino people: that there are too many Filipinos for the number of doctors we produce.

      It comes back to my definition of the core essence of poverty:

      Entering into a commitment that one is inherently unable to honour.

      Perhaps:

      (1) too many Pinoys per doctor has its roots in our irresponsible regard for reproduction; and,

      (2) too few doctors per Pinoy has its roots in our pathetic culturally-ingrained lack of a tradition for excellence in and passion for the sciences.

      Note how both of the above hypotheses account for both facets of the issue — too few doctors, and too many Pinoys. 😉

      • J.B. says:

        The whole scheme of cultural causes should have less bearings on the issue of social responsibility of those who have’s to those who have not’s.

        If a student wants to enrol in a state university like UP, he is bound by very strong community responsibility where the depleted wealth of the state is used as a means to his acquisition of profession.

        And this social responsibility are only successful if curriculum is tailored into that purpose which I showed in the example of MSU medical school.

        Strong commitment of social responsibility such as funneling wealth/service from those who have to those unfortunate ones are practiced even in advanced societies e.g. Australia where strong welfare system is used by the state to provide those who can’t make it into the current social system.

    • ilda says:

      @JB

      Like I said before, Monsod was barking up the wrong tree. She should blame the lawmakers of the land for not doing something to make it more attractive for the UP graduates to stay in the country or to give more incentive to the intellectuals so they don’t go overseas to seek better pay or feel more appreciated. It is sad but as far as I know, they are not breaking any law.

      She was basically berating a group of people who she thought she can take on. Why can’t she be that feisty with our public officials instead?

  25. Do we even have statistics that those who work abroad are intelligent people who can resurrect the ’50-’60s Philippine brilliance? Winnie Monsod, for her next speaking engagement, can probably consult with an intelligent Filipino based here on statistics regarding state universities and graduates who work abroad and locally before she generalizes on the issue. And I mean hardcore stats that can give direction and credibility to her rants.

    • Aegis-Judex says:

      The smarter move would be consulting with more than one–in fact, wouldn’t it be better to form a think tank in that manner?

    • ilda says:

      @Philippine Guild

      Hahaha…your comment really made me laugh. Alam mo naman mag-isip ang ibang mga Pinoy, they think they are the best at everything. 😉

      Even Monsod thinks she is Einstein for thinking that berating the students into staying is going to help.

  26. Jayavarmanxxii says:

    I first came across this term brain drain back in early 80’s and I just passed it off as an event that is really happening in PI. I believe that brain drain or more aptly the exodus of skilled workers is a natural consequence of two things: limited opportunities and continuous production of college graduates.

    It’s easy to see that given the limited opportunities in PI the skilled workers will aim to compete elsewhere not only for bettter pay but for better overall working conditions. He goes to a place where there is a legitimate shot for him to uplift his standard of living.

    The departure of many professionals will give the newly grads a chance to fill in the slot. Once these newly grads become expert, they will go as well and the cycle is repeated.

    For the past five decades or so that saw the diaspora of Pinoy workers, I would say that overseas workers have done more good than harm. The remittances keep the economy afloat. Dado Banatao and Leon Chua will not be as successful if they stayed in the Philippines.

    Now Banatao can afford to give back to the Philippines in a real big way. He has sent a number of engineers to take post graudate studies in the US in a bid to develop more scientists which will help technology to finally flourish. He has other programs too aimed at establishing a scientific mass based culture that made first world countries what they are right now.

    • Jay says:

      Well your case certainly trumps Winnie’s cry for those smart people leaving. Of course with the global economy that the Philippines for some reason cannot take full advantage of, remittances do help the country but can be an even more bigger factor if regulated correctly. BongV and Benign0 had a point about this.

      Dado Banatao and Leon Chua will not be as successful if they stayed in the Philippines.

      Same could be said for many Pinoys who struck out well overseas. I honestly think the Filipinos are willing to help beyond remittances if given the right incentives to put stock in a better future FOR the country in general. If it meant being able to work back home with an open economic market and world class social services, who wouldn’t? Sadly you don’t see Winnie nor the government dangling this as means to that end.

  27. Jay says:

    Purpose motive:

    Challgenge
    Mastery
    Making a contribution

    Get past the pang traydor, fix things up so not only foreign investors are going to like it but those highly talented and skilled individuals as well and then we can talk.

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